I know! When I see 'someone has commented on the thread American Airlines' in my alerts, I reel with a horrible feeling of forebodingI dread to look at this thread !
same with United, but AA seem to be doing quite well at the moment
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same with United, but AA seem to be doing quite well at the moment
Fear not Aceshigh & Ethan. It's not bad news
Firstly, all 3 AA flights seem to be operating, so that's a good start.
Secondly , loads. From the seat plans, so hopefully a very good guide for today's departures from MAN.
ORD - 90% full.
JFK - 95%
PHL - 97%
And J class approx. 75-80% on the 3 flights but we don't know the fares, upgrades etc.
Before we get too carried away though, one would expect flights to be very busy at this time of year. Indeed, some years ago, AA would carry these sort of loads over a longer period, and not just in the summer necessarily.
Firstly, all 3 AA flights seem to be operating, so that's a good start.
Secondly , loads. From the seat plans, so hopefully a very good guide for today's departures from MAN.
ORD - 90% full.
JFK - 95%
PHL - 97%
And J class approx. 75-80% on the 3 flights but we don't know the fares, upgrades etc.
Before we get too carried away though, one would expect flights to be very busy at this time of year. Indeed, some years ago, AA would carry these sort of loads over a longer period, and not just in the summer necessarily.
As I say, I am cautiously optimistic about the future of AA (short term). If the 787 goes well, ORD could grow, and I'm assuming the 787 will have less tech and availability issues this time round, I feel they may fill in the gap and make it year round. It would be a real positive step to see this happen.Fear not Aceshigh & Ethan. It's not bad news
Firstly, all 3 AA flights seem to be operating, so that's a good start.
Secondly , loads. From the seat plans, so hopefully a very good guide for today's departures from MAN.
ORD - 90% full.
JFK - 95%
PHL - 97%
And J class approx. 75-80% on the 3 flights but we don't know the fares, upgrades etc.
Before we get too carried away though, one would expect flights to be very busy at this time of year. Indeed, some years ago, AA would carry these sort of loads over a longer period, and not just in the summer necessarily.
Not that it is significant but I also think premium economy will do well on the Philadelphia route, particularly with high yielding leisure tourists connecting to Florida etc.
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I dread to look at this thread !
I have to say, I dont share your pessimism on the American carriers. Overall the market is strengthening, helped the MAN's publicity campaigns. It also doesn't harm MAN when the likes of UA and AA pull out of NCL and BHX, regrettable as that is.
DL are obviously well entrenched with the VS JV. There are obvious question marks about SFO and BOS beyond 2018 but their core markets of ATL, JFK should remain strong moving forward.
AA seem to be moving back in the right direction. PHL remains strong, ORD on the 788 again is a good step and hopefully JFK can follow. Certainly less reliability issues this year so far.
That leaves UA. We have no idea what they will do, but in light of the above I am confident they are more likely to take a positive step (e.g. Larger aircraft, increase frequency, new route) than a negative one (i.e. cut EWR).
I must say, I am getting more optimistic about AA. Today has been a great day for them:
-3 widebodies off across the Atlantic
-JFK arrived and left on-time.
-PHL arrived and left on-time.
-ORD arrived and left just half an hour late.
I don't think year-round JFK will be restored but, as I have said above, with Chicago being a major hub for them, I can see PHL and ORD surviving year-round (even if ORD is only a 757 JAN-MAR)
-3 widebodies off across the Atlantic
-JFK arrived and left on-time.
-PHL arrived and left on-time.
-ORD arrived and left just half an hour late.
I don't think year-round JFK will be restored but, as I have said above, with Chicago being a major hub for them, I can see PHL and ORD surviving year-round (even if ORD is only a 757 JAN-MAR)
I'm inclined to be a little more cautious than Dobbo and Ethan on this without being unduly pessimistic.
I tend to take note of a particular contributor on pprune (I'm not aware he posts on here), who I suspect works for MAN in a fairly senior position but could be wrong. He seems to have access to pax figures. On more than one occasion, he has expressed some concern as to how things will pan out on US routes in 2018. He's mentioned the duplication of TCX & VS on some routes where demand may not justify it, but also the impact those 2 carriers may be having on the US legacies.
His comments are not all doom and gloom, far from it, but not unreasonably he evidently feels that for those reasons and with a degree of general economic uncertainty and not very favourable exchange rates for UK travellers (although the £/$ rate has improved from what it was after the referendum), MAN will be doing well to hold onto in broad terms what we've got. Of course, TCX continuing to expand to the US adds another interesting ingredient to the overall mix.
I tend to take note of a particular contributor on pprune (I'm not aware he posts on here), who I suspect works for MAN in a fairly senior position but could be wrong. He seems to have access to pax figures. On more than one occasion, he has expressed some concern as to how things will pan out on US routes in 2018. He's mentioned the duplication of TCX & VS on some routes where demand may not justify it, but also the impact those 2 carriers may be having on the US legacies.
His comments are not all doom and gloom, far from it, but not unreasonably he evidently feels that for those reasons and with a degree of general economic uncertainty and not very favourable exchange rates for UK travellers (although the £/$ rate has improved from what it was after the referendum), MAN will be doing well to hold onto in broad terms what we've got. Of course, TCX continuing to expand to the US adds another interesting ingredient to the overall mix.
Interesting morning.
The JFK is running 3.5 hours late inbound, but VS from JFK is early and UA was more or less on time.
The seat plan for the departure is showing 'not available'. Have they substituted a different a/c type by any chance?
PHL on the other hand is operating as normal but does not show up on AA's web site for MAN-PHL. This would suggest the flight is full or over-booked.
ORD operating as normal is showing over 90% full.
The JFK is running 3.5 hours late inbound, but VS from JFK is early and UA was more or less on time.
The seat plan for the departure is showing 'not available'. Have they substituted a different a/c type by any chance?
PHL on the other hand is operating as normal but does not show up on AA's web site for MAN-PHL. This would suggest the flight is full or over-booked.
ORD operating as normal is showing over 90% full.
Not surprised, but at about 07.15 it was showing expected arrival 10.55. Est. departure 12.00.
In theory it should have been nearly half way over the Ocean at that time, so either the MAN web site was not up to-date or possibly the a/c turned back. The AA web site was still showing the departure but the seat map not available.
Anyway, just the normal AA performance.
Wonder how they dealt with the pax in both directions given it's another very busy weekend.
In theory it should have been nearly half way over the Ocean at that time, so either the MAN web site was not up to-date or possibly the a/c turned back. The AA web site was still showing the departure but the seat map not available.
Anyway, just the normal AA performance.
Wonder how they dealt with the pax in both directions given it's another very busy weekend.
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I'd guess they'd send the passengers via LHR.
Philadelphia departed around 50mins behind schedule but arrived on schedule I believe.
JFK departed around 45mins behind schedule but arrived on schedule.
Chicago pretty much on schedule, departing 25mins after scheduled departure time, arriving 30mins early.
Can we top today's performance tomorrow?!
JFK departed around 45mins behind schedule but arrived on schedule.
Chicago pretty much on schedule, departing 25mins after scheduled departure time, arriving 30mins early.
Can we top today's performance tomorrow?!
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They must have had some good tail winds!
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