Route Development & Rumours

[Matt995]

Next to no extra space... QR has done amazingly well from BHX an i really hope we see capacity increases soon. Based on my numbers, YTD Load Factors for QR is currently circa 235 pax per flight, circa 92%!!! Pretty stellar!

Here's hoping for bigger aircraft or a frequency increase next summer...

surely an increase in frequency would be their first move, maybe 10 flights a week, eventually going up to twice daily on the B788 still?

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Qatar 10 weekly 787-8 &787-9 3 morning 7 afternoon
Saudia 5 weekly 787-9 or 787-10
Air India Amritsar 4 weekly and Delhi 5 weekly 787-8 or A350
Turkish 3 daily 1 A330 2 A321Neos
Pegasus Daily A321

My predictions for next summer

 

[gulftraveller]

Qatar 10 weekly 787-8 &787-9 3 morning 7 afternoon
Saudia 5 weekly 787-9 or 787-10
Air India Amritsar 4 weekly and Delhi 5 weekly 787-8 or A350
Turkish 3 daily 1 A330 2 A321Neos
Pegasus Daily A321

My predictions for next summer

Was there not some discussion over Turkish L/Fs softening recently? A330 unlikely as a permanent fixture. All others look reasonable.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Was there not some discussion over Turkish L/Fs softening recently? A330 unlikely as a permanent fixture. All others look reasonable.

Unless we see a shared number of frequencies between Turkish and Pegasus so 2 daily Turkish 2 daily Pegasus

 

[BHX492]

Unless we see a shared number of frequencies between Turkish and Pegasus so 2 daily Turkish 2 daily Pegasus

I think we could see 3 daily with Turkish but with a mixture of 737-9 and A321NEO with the odd one or two a330 but when summer starts and finishes

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

I think we could see 3 daily with Turkish but with a mixture of 737-9 and A321NEO with the odd one or two a330 but when summer starts and finishes

Pegasus up to 5/6 weekly using mixture of A320N and A321N

 

[Matt995]

Qatar 10 weekly 787-8 &787-9 3 morning 7 afternoon
Saudia 5 weekly 787-9 or 787-10
Air India Amritsar 4 weekly and Delhi 5 weekly 787-8 or A350
Turkish 3 daily 1 A330 2 A321Neos
Pegasus Daily A321

My predictions for next summer

Air India won't use any A350's to BHX at present, and Turkish won't use any A330s regularly, i have a feeling next year will might only see 2 daily flights from them, not certain the demand to Istanbul is goinfg to grow much next year.

 

[Scania1800]

Qatar 10 weekly 787-8 &787-9 3 morning 7 afternoon
Saudia 5 weekly 787-9 or 787-10
Air India Amritsar 4 weekly and Delhi 5 weekly 787-8 or A350
Turkish 3 daily 1 A330 2 A321Neos
Pegasus Daily A321

My predictions for next summer

Air India has no intensions of deploying A350 to BHX, a whole ground crew fee and needed equipment is required, the 787-8 will stay, As for Qatar, it remains 787-8 till that timelines

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Air India has no intensions of deploying A350 to BHX, a whole ground crew fee and needed equipment is required, the 787-8 will stay, As for Qatar, it remains 787-8 till that timelines

Scania mate.Im predicting not actually showing what’s going on .Have a good sleep mate.

 

[rollo]

Unless we see a shared number of frequencies between Turkish and Pegasus so 2 daily Turkish 2 daily Pegasus

Turkish and Pegasus are competitors so no chance of sharing anymore than say BA and Virgin would on a given route.

 

[IanFarquharson]

TK & PC are both doing well from BHX.
TK loads have not reduced as a result of PC starting.
I can see PC going daily at some point and maybe add AYT.
TK are currently experimenting with a third daily but it has been canx a few times but on days all three run the loads are good.
TK & PC are completely different markets, so I wouldn't rule out 4 x IST daily maybe in S25

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

TK & PC are both doing well from BHX.
TK loads have not reduced as a result of PC starting.
I can see PC going daily at some point and maybe add AYT.
TK are currently experimenting with a third daily but it has been canx a few times but on days all three run the loads are good.
TK & PC are completely different markets, so I wouldn't rule out 4 x IST daily maybe in S25

would you agree that international expansion next summer is crucial to the airport’s ambitions

 

[Aviador]

would you agree that international expansion next summer is crucial to the airport’s ambitions

Do you mean intercontenental as just a flight down to Alicante is international?

More flights further afield will no doubt be targets for BHX but they have to get the timings right. If you look at the current global political landscape, ongoing cost of living crisis and now Mpox (formerly monkeypox) taking hold and possibly becoming the next pandemic. It could easily be said that now isn't really the right time.

 

[rollo]

Two things are crucial for substantial expansion at BHX - EasyJet and Ryanair.

 

[IanFarquharson]

would you agree that international expansion next summer is crucial to the airport’s ambitions

Yes of course and they are talking to airlines all the time about a BHX service but the process is very long winded.
BHX's are aware Heathrow is full again and airlines will be looking at adding additional 'London' capacity elsewhere and the airport are and need to continue to bang the HS2 drum.

Two things are crucial for substantial expansion at BHX - EasyJet and Ryanair.

I agree - Nick Barton knows this as he was at Luton previously.
I was a great supporter of Paul Kehoe but he and others before him were really just interested in British Airways and alliances.
Easyjet & Ryanair add footfall and spend at the airport

 

[IanFarquharson]

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[Scania1800]

TK & PC are both doing well from BHX.
TK loads have not reduced as a result of PC starting.
I can see PC going daily at some point and maybe add AYT.
TK are currently experimenting with a third daily but it has been canx a few times but on days all three run the loads are good.
TK & PC are completely different markets, so I wouldn't rule out 4 x IST daily maybe in S25

TK also added a additional lunchtime service you have mentioned, but that’s been fluctuating a little, as those times there’s extremely high competition from emirates, saudia, Qatar.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

TK also added an additional lunchtime service you have mentioned, but that’s been fluctuating a little, as those times there’s extremely high competition from emirates, saudia, Qatar.

If you think about it ,Birmingham is a white and Asian minority city so you gotta think about connecting flights for Turkish. All flights from ISB to IST to BHX actually suit the timings of arrival into Birmingham.
Be nice to see an late evening arrival from turkey actually

 

[Scania1800]

If you think about it ,Birmingham is a white and Asian minority city so you gotta think about connecting flights for Turkish. All flights from ISB to IST to BHX actually suit the timings of arrival into Birmingham.
Be nice to see an late evening arrival from turkey actually

Islamabad connectivity is mainly Emirates, followed by Qatar, since they offer additional flights. Turkish only offers 1 flight to ISB, with additional one with PIA. There’s a huge demand for other places such as Eastern Asia, India, not just Pakistan

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Islamabad connectivity is mainly Emirates, followed by Qatar, since they offer additional flights. Turkish only offers 1 flight to ISB, with additional one with PIA. There’s a huge demand for other places such as Eastern Asia, India, not just Pakistan

True however there’s connection flights to and from Ashbaghat aswell infact making time worthy for both morning flight and afternoon flight