Route Development & Rumours

[CM.]

Why is this thread going, the original person who started it hasn't added anything further. The rest is just why Jet2 wont go to DSA.

I think the user just came on to cause a stir on the LBA thread to be honest but it gives us something to talk about.

The closest DSA will see Jet2 is when they fly over heading to Europe/Turkey or descending into LBA.

 

[paully]

In fairness, It folio has stepped down now and no longer has any significant influence in the direction of travel. I’m not suggesting the companies views have changed but the views of PM aren’t as relevant now, sadly.

Also, when he said those things the business was a lot different to how it looks now. I think they could put aircraft in DSA with little to no impact on LBA and EMA but the question is is it scaleable? The directors are all about growth in new bases, is there scope for growth at DSA beyond 3-4 aircraft? Probably not.

I think you will find that the influence of Phil Meeson, will run through their operations for a very long time...He was the reason many of them are drawing salary..He set the compass by which they steer...They ignore him at their peril..
Have a look at Morrisons to see how ignoring the founding father works

 

[Aviador]

I think you will find that the influence of Phil Meeson, will run through their operations for a very long time...He was the reason many of them are drawing salary..He set the compass by which they steer...They ignore him at their peril..
Have a look at Morrisons to see how ignoring the founding father works

So so true.

 

[pug]

I think you will find that the influence of Phil Meeson, will run through their operations for a very long time...He was the reason many of them are drawing salary..He set the compass by which they steer...They ignore him at their peril..
Have a look at Morrisons to see how ignoring the founding father works

Whilst I agree with your sentiments, we are already seeing a bit of it changing. Nothing particularly significant as yet but it’s grown and as the company continues its ambitious expansion plans invariably there will be more risk being taken. Not sure on how much involvement you’ve had in it, but it’s definitely Philip not Phil 😉

**Im not saying Jet2 are going to go to a reopened Doncaster, far from it. But be assured it’s not the company it was 10 years ago, and given the growth trajectory it’s more likely they’d look at it now than they would have done back when Philip said what he said.

 

[LS1991]

He’s

With the news today that DSA will reopen sooner rather than later this strikes me as a perfect opportunity for Jet2.

A complete blank canvas, Jet2 could strike a deal with the councils that will be operating the airport, get in there before anyone else, and make it their home.

Moving the home base down to DSA would offer so much more potential to grow and really take a hold of the market, providing more space to develop on as well as better facilities already in place. At a much better located and more modern airport without the restrictions of LBA, and potentially huge financial advantages that would come with striking a deal.

In essence they could do what they wanted with the region.

I know some of the LBA supporters on this forum won’t particularly like the idea, but financially and logically this makes so much sense

He’s absolutely right. Under the correct operator this airport could thrive. Jet2 onboard would make it fantastic. Talks are in motion with many of the larger carriers with deals and incentives planned and negotiated. Jet2 works at Leeds, it could also work at DSA,EMA,BHX. Leeds is great, also has plenty of negatives as do most airfields. Let’s be kind folks!

 

[pug]

He’s


He’s absolutely right. Under the correct operator this airport could thrive. Jet2 onboard would make it fantastic. Talks are in motion with many of the larger carriers with deals and incentives planned and negotiated. Jet2 works at Leeds, it could also work at DSA,EMA,BHX. Leeds is great, also has plenty of negatives as do most airfields. Let’s be kind folks!

I’m not sure how you would know what kind of talks, negotiations or incentives are planned and in motion because the operator hasn’t been announced yet, and there are various stores doing the rounds about who it might be and what they might be intending for the site.

The point recently announced though, is that Jet2 are planning no more bases in the UK. I know others have steadfast ruled it out on here, I would be careful not to purely because we don’t know what’s being discussed nor whether jet2 could be swayed by a significant package and access to a terminal. However, some of us can judge general feeling from the inside and that is generally that it’s a no go due to reasons mentioned and solidified by Steve Heapy himself yesterday.

Yes they could be marketing to easyjet TUI Ryanair Wizz whoever, but in actual fact deals and incentives are just a small part in the wider issue of attracting traffic. The main one is are there enough passengers to enable it to fill flights profitably, will the operation have a negative impact on established routes from other airports, and will they be likely to stick around. History would dictate it’s a huge risk.

Welcome by the way, it’s good to see alternative views on this forum.

 

[A400]

He’s


He’s absolutely right. Under the correct operator this airport could thrive. Jet2 onboard would make it fantastic. Talks are in motion with many of the larger carriers with deals and incentives planned and negotiated. Jet2 works at Leeds, it could also work at DSA,EMA,BHX. Leeds is great, also has plenty of negatives as do most airfields. Let’s be kind folks!

Welcome to the forum but I have to say I disagree with most of your points

The Airport hasn’t even reopened and we don’t know whether it ever will so I’m not sure how they can be talking to airlines when the airport itself is still closed.

Jet2 have ruled out more bases so can’t see them ever heading to DSA plus they already fly out of BHX and EMA. Most likely TUI would go back.

Wizz have said they’re happy with LBA and would not move back if DSA did open aswell.

 

[Aviador]

Welcome to Forums4airports @LS1991 thanks for joining in the dabate so we can hopefully see things from the pro-DSA viewpoint.

You say @89LS is absolutely right, so please can you elaborate on why you think that, and why you think Jet2 would upsticks for Doncaster lock stock and barrel as @89LS suggested?

One of the things that stands out with reading DSA supporter comments is the amount of hopes pinned on Jet2 and even a Jet2 move from LBA to DSA.

Sadly for DSA the business that it did have has now been dispersed to neighbouring airports. The investment moved by Wizz Air to LBA and by TUI to EMA and MAN, Investment in the way of aircraft, employment and so on.

TUI will never admit to making a mistake when they originally opened a DSA base but the prospect of a reopening of the base at a further cost to them is even more unrealistic and doubtful.

 

[Seasider]

I too would like to welcome LS1991 as we need to hear the "pro DSA" viewpoint.
Please respond to Aviador's request as I would love to know your reasoning.

 

[Aviador]

No answers to my questions then? In not responding you lose credibility which just proves you came here with nothing more than a wishlist.

 

[Seasider]

May I also welcome rabbitfoot to the forum especially as they are a supporter of DSA. It is good to hear other members views on the benefits of a reopened DSA.

 

[Seasider]

I will ask once again to stick to Jet2 in this thread .... please.

 

[White Heather]

I will ask once again to stick to Jet2 in this thread .... please.

That might prove difficult for the DSA fraternity given Jet2 dont operate to DSA and probably never will even if it reopens. So what is there to say other than speculate and wish. At best, unless Jet2 reverse their statement that there will be no more bases, this thread is doomed to be a somewhat repetitive dialogue, with DSA supporters dreaming and those who offer a dose of reality criticised for being negative.

 

[pug]

That might prove difficult for the DSA fraternity given Jet2 dont operate to DSA and probably never will even if it reopens. So what is there to say other than speculate and wish. At best, unless Jet2 reverse their statement that there will be no more bases, this thread is doomed to be a somewhat repetitive dialogue, with DSA supporters dreaming and those who offer a dose of reality criticised for being negative.

At the moment I would be cautious to never say never. The company is in a state of flux at the moment and they’ll have a load of 737’s that will need to be based somewhere.. They have been quite clear in their intention not to open any more bases, yet we were told LPL would never happen a week before it was announced!!

 

[White Heather]

At the moment I would be cautious to never say never. The company is in a state of flux at the moment and they’ll have a load of 737’s that will need to be based somewhere.. They have been quite clear in their intention not to open any more bases, yet we were told LPL would never happen a week before it was announced!!

I did say 'probably' and if it happens then this thread won't be quite so pointless. However, I still can't see it happening . Maybe they'll surprise us all. Maybe they won't.

 

[Rob c DSA]

For DSA to even have a glimmer of survival a second time around Jet 2 and TUI both being successful would be a must in my opinion however unlikely, first time around the cost of holidays with TUI at DSA made Manchester along with Birmingham and EMA the choice for a sizeable enough proportion of people how many who knows that would not change in my opinion without a Jet 2 presence, like I put elsewhere me personally I was priced out my local airport time and time again to the extent that Gatwick and Stansted were options I took to fly from over DSA I know this is a problem for other regional airports but in my humble opinion the situation was quite frighteningly bad that Gatwick was an option.

 

[pug]

I did say 'probably' and if it happens then this thread won't be quite so pointless. However, I still can't see it happening . Maybe they'll surprise us all. Maybe they won't.

I’m not throwing any weight behind it, I just wouldn’t be comfortable saying they’ll never look it at. Still personally don’t believe there is any intention of using DSA, doesn’t seem a strategically advantageous move unless they were to drop EMA and try to focus on the East Midlands and SY market. It’s still a bit too close to two bases to be of any value and would need a lot of concession to enable it.

The gaps in Jet2s UK market now are Aberdeen and possibly Newquay, because they are now saying over 50 million people live within 90 minutes of a jet2 base.

 

[752]

They have looked at DSA. and looked away straight after. The demographic isn't there, the catchment area isn't there. The only airline that will end up in DSA is TUI with an expensive / measly operation and wont bring any profit to the airport.

 

[Rob c DSA]

They have looked at DSA. and looked away straight after. The demographic isn't there, the catchment area isn't there. The only airline that will end up in DSA is TUI with an expensive / measly operation and wont bring any profit to the airport.

Surely if TUI were the only airline to end up at DSA it won't reopen no operator is going to take it on with just 2 Excel and TUI commited with a sprinkling on top that would be suicidal, without knowing the operator and the relationships they have and maths they've done I think it's a little unfair to just say no airline would think about it however unlikely it may be the airport reopened and actually succeeded operators have and still are exploring all options and surely doing an exceptional amount of due diligence?.

Whatever anyone else thinks if an operator is going to step forward and take this project on they are going to do it in the belief they can succeed and I wish them a very lot of luck attempting it it will be a very brave decision.

With few airlines left on our shores even if Jet 2 have said never or whoever else for that matter the operator has got to at least try to woo easy, Jet 2 or Ryanair to be on board with a successful operation how that's possible I'm not sure anyone really believes it is but I've stated elsewhere previously however unlikely Jet 2 maybe they are the only airline I think would openly look to build and succeed and stick at it longer than either loco.

As for TUI and a measly operation I think you will find for a regional airport the size of DSA it wasn't actually a measly operation at all obviously helped by no competition but that's a very unfair statement in regards to TUI at DSA.

 

[BCFC]

All sounds quite promising for LBA all things considered, especially considering the current turmoil in the world as a whole. Thriving airlines at a thriving airport is a real bonus. I really wouldn't want to be in DSA's or Global's shoes right now and trying to start from scratch. Give me LBA any day of the week and credit needs to go to anyone who has contributed to where it is today. Bring on more positive announcements

Not heard anything about Global recently.