Longhaul from Bristol

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Like TLY I've not heard a thing being said about Etihad, but I see no reason in that they do have a large fleet of A332. And with BRS being a non Cargo station that gives them a little more room for take off weight.

In regards to distance/ length of flight, the A332 isn't to far off the 763 in terms of performance, so they could easily operate out of BRS when you take in to consideration SFB used to be a 9 hr flight direct.
 
big g said:
Like TLY I've not heard a thing being said about Etihad, but I see no reason in that they do have a large fleet of A332. And with BRS being a non Cargo station that gives them a little more room for take off weight.

In regards to distance/ length of flight, the A332 isn't to far off the 763 in terms of performance, so they could easily operate out of BRS when you take in to consideration SFB used to be a 9 hr flight direct.



it would like to think a middle east airline would operate from brs.
my thoughts on it is.i can not see this happening till terminal extension is completed. they do like their airport lounges,and also with the expansion there is talk of air bridges as well.
this is my thoughts, but you never say no to these things till any statement from airlines say no.
it will watch with interest on this one.
 
Part of me thinks that the airport wouldn't be pushing on as fast with expansion if it wasn't for the prospect of something major like a me route coming . I seem to recall that the expansion may include a second business lounge as well. It be a well deserved coup if etihad does come.
 
With no plans for a runway extension, BRS is in the same predicament as LBA when it comes to searching for long haul operators. I see it as extremely unlikely any operator will come to BRS to offer long haul flights even with the latest aircraft technology offering good short runway take-off performance. Sadly, most airlines are opting for the longer and heavier variants of the new A350 so it's looking even less likely airlines would want to commit to airports with short runways. The Boeing 787 Dreamliner with it's excellent short runway performance offers an even better performance from airports with longer runways it terms of fuel consumption on take-off thus making it even less likely to operate into airports with short runways.
 
big g said:
Like TLY I've not heard a thing being said about Etihad, but I see no reason in that they do have a large fleet of A332. And with BRS being a non Cargo station that gives them a little more room for take off weight.

In regards to distance/ length of flight, the A332 isn't to far off the 763 in terms of performance, so they could easily operate out of BRS when you take in to consideration SFB used to be a 9 hr flight direct.

I don't know about the A330 but they do also operate 320's.. I have seen them on the LHR route and into Europe. Quatar do the same.. I don't know if they are configured in a certain way to fit European routes, such as high load business routes which would mean this probably wouldn't work from BRS. Also I don't know if the 320 could go direct with the runway length at BRS.. by way of interest where have the rumours come from?
 
forest1979 said:
big g said:
Like TLY I've not heard a thing being said about Etihad, but I see no reason in that they do have a large fleet of A332. And with BRS being a non Cargo station that gives them a little more room for take off weight.

In regards to distance/ length of flight, the A332 isn't to far off the 763 in terms of performance, so they could easily operate out of BRS when you take in to consideration SFB used to be a 9 hr flight direct.

I don't know about the A330 but they do also operate 320's.. I have seen them on the LHR route and into Europe. Quatar do the same.. I don't know if they are configured in a certain way to fit European routes, such as high load business routes which would mean this probably wouldn't work from BRS. Also I don't know if the 320 could go direct with the runway length at BRS.. by way of interest where have the rumours come from?

Couple of people at the airport. But the main source is not very reliable and not really in the know about such matters so i think its a false story. Thought i would ask here to confirm my initial suspicions that it was false.
 
I still think that Turkish Airlines to Istanbul is the best bet for a hub connection going east.
 
I completely agree TheLocalYokel unless there's another similar offering out there?
 
There are rumours elsewhere that the TOM long haul programme will return in 2016, anybody heard anything?
 
There might be something in that. I recall somebody mentioning some taxiway widening work and of course there's the terminal extension work in progress as we speak with plans for new air bridges which is something new for Bristol airport. At the moment all the stands are walk-on stands.
 
Aviador said:
There might be something in that. I recall somebody mentioning some taxiway widening work and of course there's the terminal extension work in progress as we speak with plans for new air bridges which is something new for Bristol airport. At the moment all the stands are walk-on stands.


further to last post.
plans were altered and passed to amend plans to be able to take the 787/a350 aircraft with air bridges. in my mind to do that then i think the airport knows something that we dont and not telling every one.
 
A firm commitment by Thomson's will probably suffice! If that is the case I sincerely hope it is success for them because it will have implications for other regional airports with relatively short runways around the UK.
 
Bristol Airport are 'very confident' they will see a link to New York in 2016 and talks are 'at an advanced stage'. Great news for BRS 🙂

It says they narrowly missed out to another airport on securing a service for this year, would that be United to NCL or AA to BHX? I'm just curious as to which one they may be talking to for next year.

Speaking to Routesonline, Shaun Browne, aviation director, Bristol Airport revealed that discussions to resurrect the airport’s connection with New York are at an advanced stage and believes it is in good shape to see the return of the service next year.

“We believe we came very close to securing the route last year for this summer but missed out to another airport. We are very confident that this year will be different and we will be able to bring non-stop connectivity to the New York and wider US market directly from Bristol Airport in 2016,” he said.

Full article: http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre ... gn=the-hub
 
Ray Finkle said:
Bristol Airport are 'very confident' they will see a link to New York in 2016 and talks are 'at an advanced stage'. Great news for BRS 🙂

It says they narrowly missed out to another airport on securing a service for this year, would that be United to NCL or AA to BHX? I'm just curious as to which one they may be talking to for next year.

Speaking to Routesonline, Shaun Browne, aviation director, Bristol Airport revealed that discussions to resurrect the airport’s connection with New York are at an advanced stage and believes it is in good shape to see the return of the service next year.

“We believe we came very close to securing the route last year for this summer but missed out to another airport. We are very confident that this year will be different and we will be able to bring non-stop connectivity to the New York and wider US market directly from Bristol Airport in 2016,” he said.

Full article: http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre ... gn=the-hub

I think there must be high chance of success for Shaun Browne to suggest the transatlantic route to New York will be back in Summer 2016.

In addition to this Thomson should be launching its Summer 2016 schedules in the next couple weeks, so could we be in for more transatlantic routes with the return of Sanford, Florida and Cancun, Mexico. Rumours of such a return were mentioned by a poster on the dried plum last month.

This would be a major coup for Bristol if this were the case and put a dent in the Welsh governments Long Haul plan for Cardiff.

Fingers crossed :good:
 
I think there must be high chance of success for Shaun Browne to suggest the transatlantic route to New York will be back in Summer 2016.

In addition to this Thomson should be launching its Summer 2016 schedules in the next couple weeks, so could we be in for more transatlantic routes with the return of Sanford, Florida and Cancun, Mexico. Rumours of such a return were mentioned by a poster on the dried plum last month.

This would be a major coup for Bristol if this were the case and put a dent in the Welsh governments Long Haul plan for Cardiff.

It does seem very positive although I have a couple of reservations, namely:

On purely commercial grounds on a level playing field the BRS catchment would be well ahead of the CWL catchment for a transatlantic scheduled NYC service. However, as has been seen with the Flybe initiative at CWL the Wales Assembly Government appears to be ploughing in millions of the public money it earmarked for route development. Whether there will be enough to tempt a transatlantic scheduled carrier remains to be seen although I believe that the BRS management, whilst not becoming too ruffled about Flybe, would want to challenge anything they believed to be a government acting in breach in of EC regulations and competition issues if a transatlantic scheduled route was involved.

As for the TOM transatlantic charter routes the same applies as regards route funding but for BRS to get them back would mean that TOM is satisfied that the B 787 can operate out of BRS, something that has not been cleared up in probably thousands of words of debate in various aviation forums.

Finally, the spectre of APD still lingers. If Labour wins the election, and has to rely on the support of the Scottish Nationalists and Plaid Cymru to govern the UK, expect some quid pro quo, part of which would almost certainly involve devolution of APD (perhaps just long haul initially) to the Wales Assembly Government who would be in the privileged position of an airport owner able to set its own APD rates. If that happened and no compensating mechanism was put in place for England or the English regions it would be an almost irresistible attraction for an airline or airlines to begin long haul at CWL, in which circumstances BRS would almost certainly suffer.

Ray - The very strong rumours I heard was that American was very close to agreeing a BRS-NYC route for this year. Whether they are now talking to American or have switched their emphasis to United (I'd be very surprised if they hadn't spoken to both for a service this year) is something that we will learn in due course if a route is announced.
 
Another article printed in the Somerset Guardian with reference to the re-instatement of the Bristol - New York.

Key Quotes are as follows:

Somerset residents travelling to America might be able to catch a direct flight from Bristol by next summer.

Bosses at Bristol Airport said they were confident that a deal could be struck that would see direct flights to the United States of America.

They also hope to secure aeroplanes flying from Bristol to the Middle East within the next 18 months.

Interesting to see the quote with reference to the Middle East, there must have been some movement on either the A350/B787 as these would need to be the aircraft that operate this type of route.

Link to article below:-

http://www.somersetguardian.co.uk/8...irport-cards/story-26344395-detail/story.html
 
Etihad back in the frame then? I mentioned it a few months ago. What types of planes do they have on order. a350? B 787?
 
Interesting to see the quote with reference to the Middle East, there must have been some movement on either the A350/B787 as these would need to be the aircraft that operate this type of route.

Unless the airport specifically referred to the MEB3 in its press comment to the newspaper, it may well be that Turkey is being included in the Middle East. A decent grasp of geography and indeed general knowledge doesn't seem to feature highly in the skills of many of today's hacks.

Etihad back in the frame then? I mentioned it a few months ago. What types of planes do they have on order. a350? B 787?

I still take some convincing that one of the MEB3 will be turning up at Lulsgate.

For what it's worth I've had a look at Wikipedia (not always the definitive source on anything of course) and this seems to be the state of play with 787s and 350s.

Etihad

Orders for 40 A 350-900s with deliveries beginning this year.

Orders for 22 A 350-1000s and options for an additional 15, with deliveries beginning in 2017.

Emirates

2 B 787-9s in service.

Orders for 39 more and options for an additional 25.

Orders for 30 B 787-10s and options for an additional 12.

Qatar

2 A 350-900s in service with orders for 41 more.

Orders for 37 350-1000s.

Now I'm surmising that the largest versions of the A 350 and B 787 will be too big for BRS. The next sizes down might be a struggle too. I don't know as I have no technical expertise but I'm repeating what I've read written by people with a supposed good knowledge of technical issues.
 
New York

Going back to the recent reported comment of a senior BRS figure that the airport is 'very confident' about the return of a NYC service next year with talks at an 'advanced stage', I received an email from the airport yesterday asking business people to complete a survey into their flying habits to the USA to demonstrate demand.

I can't help wondering how far the talks have progressed if the airport is now asking business people to complete this survey. Don't such enquiries usually come nearer the beginning of a campaign to secure new flights?

I'm retired so have no relevance to this business survey.
 
I wouldnt worry too much, as it may be a delayed survey or just due dilligance.

MAN sent me a survey asking 'which of the following US cities, currently unserved from MAN direct, do you frequent most'.

One was Las Vegas, which has 2 carriers offering up to 8 weekly flights between them and been served for years, one was Miami which will be served by Thomas Cook (survey came long after MIA was announced) and another was Los Angeles which TCX has confirmed they will operate in 2016 so you would assume MAN know about it!?!?
 

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