Flybe

[Scottie Dog]

Interesting debate. I recall a few years ago booking Air Transat flight only and I was issued with an ATOL certificate.

 

[Jerry]

I've had a US flight ATOL covered before. I booked through Skyscanner and the website i booked through sent me an ATOL certificate for my flight only purchase. Maybe the company just has to designate itself as a holiday company rather than an airline/flight provider then it may have to or can have ATOL?

 

[dmrodgers]

You shouldn`t have done as it is a tour licence not for seat only hence the name Air Tour Operators Licence

Had a flight only package with Monarch to Faro from LBA days before the company ceased trading and was issued with an ATOL certificate to protect the flight. Was resuced home on a repatriation flight by the Civil Aviation Authority, albeit to Gatwick on a Wamos Air 747 EC-MRM and then coach up to LBA. The CAA contacted me days later asking if I was covered by an ATOL certificate, and if so could I give them the certificate number so they could reclaim the cost of myself and my wife's repatriation to the UK. So yes certificates were issued for flight only by Monarch and the CAA seem to have been aware of this.

 

[rollo]

We booked flight only tickets with Monarch and were definitely not covered by ATOL so claimed our refund through the credit card company with no problems.

Previously we have booked through Travel Republic who did issue ATOL certificates under their own name so presumably it depends who you booked through

The government decided rightly that everybody would be repatriated regardless whether ATOL covered or not.

 

[lbaspotter]

Looks like the sale of Flybe to Connect Airways is moving along nicely. with Febuary 22nd 2019 been the expected completion date.

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/322141/flybe-outlines-latest-in-sale-process

 

[Tarn Spotter]

As I have previously stated there is a Brexit clause in this agreement which will stop the sale without a brexit deal or the shareholding being a substantial majority towards U.K. ownership, Virgin/IAG will be treated as non u.k. share ownership.
With the e.u. ruling IAG a european carrier (after 29th March), not sure things moving smoothly, we already know Virgin is not a european carrier, its going to test CAA and the e.u. ability to bend the rules. Fairly sure, both companies will use this case ruling in a bigger picture for the future and see it as a back door for future u.k. flying rights.

 

[louis_walton]

Will Belfast City increase it’s frequency again now we are in February? Seen as though Jet2’s begging to come out of hibernation.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

The e..u. announced on friday that as airline ownership is so vital to decide its either a e.u. our non e.u. company, companies will have 7 months from an agreed date to get their ownership in line, they realise impossible now by the 29th March.
Cant see how by the 22nd of this month, Virgin, IAG and Stobart can make Flybe a u.k. company, which it needs for this agreement to hold.

 

[lbaspotter]

Here's how we stand for the summer 2019 flight schedule for Flybe, or should I say, soon to be Connect Airways

Belfast City = 30x weekly - Dash 8-Q400
Southampton = 11x weekly - Saab 2000 (Operated by Eastern Airways)
Dusseldorf = 6x weekly - Dash 8-Q400
Newquay = 3x weekly - Dash 8-Q400
Innsbruck = 1x weekly - Embraer 175 (Charter flight for Inghams Holidays)

Mondays
BE7600 = LBA 07:00 – SOU 08:05 / BE7601 = SOU 09:45 – LBA 10:50 = Saab 2000
BE7606 = LBA 17:00 – SOU 18:05 / BE7607 = SOU 18:45 – LBA 19:50 = Saab 2000
BE729 = BHD 06:35 – LBA 07:35 / BE730 = LBA 08:00 – BHD 09:00 = Dash 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 09:45 – LBA 10:45 / BE732 = LBA 11:10 – BHD 12:10 = Dash 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:40 – LBA 13:40 / BE734 = LBA 14:05 – BHD 15:05 = Dash 8-Q400
BE1494 = DUS 13:00 – LBA 13:45 / BE1495 = LBA 15:10 – DUS 17:55 = Dash 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 15:30 – LBA 16:30 / BE736 = LBA 17:15 – BHD 18:15 = Dash 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:05 – BHD 21:05 = Dash 8-Q400

Tuesday
BE7600 = LBA 07:00 – SOU 08:05 / BE7601 = SOU 09:45 – LBA 10:50 = Saab 2000
BE7606 = LBA 17:00 – SOU 18:05 / BE7607 = SOU 18:45 – LBA 19:50 = Saab 2000
BE729 = BHD 06:35 – LBA 07:35 / BE730 = LBA 08:00 – BHD 09:00 = Dash 8-Q400
BE754 = NQY 09:05 – LBA 10:15 / BE753 = LBA 10:40 – NQY 11:55 = Dash 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 09:45 – LBA 10:45 / BE732 = LBA 11:10 – BHD 12:10 = Dash 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:40 – LBA 13:40 / BE734 = LBA 14:05 – BHD 15:05 = Dash 8-Q400
BE1494 = DUS 13:00 – LBA 13:45 / BE1495 = LBA 15:10 – DUS 17:55 = Dash 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 15:30 – LBA 16:30 / BE736 = LBA 17:15 – BHD 18:15 = Dash 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:05 – BHD 21:05 = Dash 8-Q400

Wednesday
BE7600 = LBA 07:00 – SOU 08:05 / BE7601 = SOU 09:45 – LBA 10:50 = Saab 2000
BE7606 = LBA 17:00 – SOU 18:05 / BE7607 = SOU 18:45 – LBA 19:50 = Saab 2000
BE729 = BHD 06:35 – LBA 07:35 / BE730 = LBA 08:00 – BHD 09:00 = Dash 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 09:45 – LBA 10:45 / BE732 = LBA 11:10 – BHD 12:10 = Dash 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:40 – LBA 13:40 / BE734 = LBA 14:05 – BHD 15:05 = Dash 8-Q400
BE1494 = DUS 13:00 – LBA 13:45 / BE1495 = LBA 15:05 – DUS 17:50 = Dash 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 15:30 – LBA 16:30 / BE736 = LBA 17:15 – BHD 18:15 = Dash 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:05 – BHD 21:05 = Dash 8-Q400

Thursday
BE7600 = LBA 07:00 – SOU 08:05 / BE7601 = SOU 09:45 – LBA 10:50 = Saab 2000
BE7606 = LBA 17:00 – SOU 18:05 / BE7607 = SOU 18:45 – LBA 19:50 = Saab 2000
BE729 = BHD 06:35 – LBA 07:35 / BE730 = LBA 08:00 – BHD 09:00 = Dash 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 09:45 – LBA 10:45 / BE732 = LBA 11:10 – BHD 12:10 = Dash 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:40 – LBA 13:40 / BE734 = LBA 14:05 – BHD 15:05 = Dash 8-Q400
BE1494 = DUS 13:00 – LBA 13:45 / BE1495 = LBA 15:05 – DUS 17:50 = Dash 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 15:30 – LBA 16:30 / BE736 = LBA 17:15 – BHD 18:15 = Dash 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:05 – BHD 21:05 = Dash 8-Q400

Friday
BE7600 = LBA 11:00 – SOU 12:05 / BE7601 = SOU 12:45 – LBA 13:50 = Saab 2000
BE7606 = LBA 16:00 – SOU 17:05 / BE7607 = SOU 17:45 – LBA 18:50 = Saab 2000
BE729 = BHD 06:35 – LBA 07:35 / BE730 = LBA 08:00 – BHD 09:00 = Dash 8-Q400
BE754 = NQY 09:05 – LBA 10:15 / BE753 = LBA 10:40 – NQY 11:55 = Dash 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 09:45 – LBA 10:45 / BE732 = LBA 11:10 – BHD 12:10 = Dash 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:40 – LBA 13:40 / BE734 = LBA 14:05 – BHD 15:05 = Dash 8-Q400
BE1494 = DUS 13:00 – LBA 13:45 / BE1495 = LBA 15:00 – DUS 17:45 = Dash 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 15:30 – LBA 16:30 / BE736 = LBA 17:15 – BHD 18:15 = Dash 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:05 – BHD 21:05 = Dash 8-Q400

Saturday
BE729 = BHD 06:35 – LBA 07:35 / BE730 = LBA 08:00 – BHD 09:00 = Dash 8-Q400
BE9226 = INN 10:30 – LBA 11:35 / BE9225 = LBA 12:25 – INN 15:30 = Embraer 175
BE731 = BHD 11:00 – LBA 12:00 / BE732 = LBA 12:25 – BHD 13:25 = Dash 8-Q400

Sundays
BE7606 = LBA 17:00 – SOU 18:05 / BE7607 = SOU 18:45 – LBA 19:50 = Saab 2000
BE731 = BHD 09:00 – LBA 10:00 / BE753 = LBA 10:25 – NQY 11:40 = Dash 8-Q400
BE754 = NQY 12:25 – LBA 13:35 / BE734 = LBA 14:05 – BHD 15:05 = Dash 8-Q400
BE1494 = DUS 13:00 – LBA 13:45 / BE1495 = LBA 15:05 – DUS 17:50 = Dash 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 15:30 – LBA 16:30 / BE736 = LBA 17:15 – BHD 18:15 = Dash 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:05 – BHD 21:05 = Dash 8-Q400

51 weekly rotations not bad for a non based airline. I actually think is more flights than they are due to operate out of there Donny base this summer.

 

[Seasider]

That is correct.

 

[White Heather]

I am surprised that the Friday Newquay isn't operated (as last summer) by an E195, assuming they still have them! The loads on that flight, as I understand it, were very good. It was good to see their Welcome to Yorkshire 195 actually at Yorkshire's Airport, if only once a week.

 

[louis_walton]

It seems silly that Flybe aren't doing very well but won't add frequencies to successful routes. Newquay could be operated 5 weekly successfully peak summer especially on a E-175.

 

[Jerry]

I am surprised that the Friday Newquay isn't operated (as last summer) by an E195, assuming they still have them! The loads on that flight, as I understand it, were very good. It was good to see their Welcome to Yorkshire 195 actually at Yorkshire's Airport, if only once a week.

No E jets based at NQY this summer. Heathrow will be operated by a Q400.

 

[Finger66]

I think right here right now, considering Flybe's current situation we should be very happy with what we have still got. Yes it's always nice to have more. Let's revisit this one if and when LBA suffer cutbacks and route losses for W19/20

 

[Tarn Spotter]

I see the Flybe board has accepted the right of Andrew Tinkler to make a bid for the company, however, it looks as if he wont take any action until the agreement on the table folds or legal action makes it impossible to continue.

 

[lbaspotter]

Well it's being reported this evening that flybe's directors have issued a warning to its shareholders that it will be forced to wind up the company if they do not back the sale to "Connect Airways" consortium on March 4th.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/47165902

Surly this leaves Mr Tinkler with little or no room to wiggle, The ball is firmly in the hands of those shareholders now!

 

[Len Fish]

Let’s hope common sense prevails and that the shareholders vote to accept the deal even at only 1p a share to save the airline and the jobs that go with it.

 

[Finger66]

Common sense and the airline industry are not always two things that go hand in hand. However on this occasion I agree that common sense does need to prevail for the good of everyone. UK air connectivity may take an irreversible hit if Flybe were to go under

 

[paully]

As I read it, the airline, as a subsidiary of Flybe passes into new ownership, regardless, on the 22nd February. The shareholders do not need to approve this transaction. The threat is to dissolve Flybe the holding company in which many people hold shares .
I may well be wrong of course..Fingers firmly crossed for the long suffering staff who just don't deserve this horrible power play that's going on...

 

[Tarn Spotter]

Your right Paully, the flying arm of Flybe is sold on the 22nd and then Flybe just becomes a shell non trading company and the fight starts on what went wrong.
I just hope Connect know the cause of the dire financial position, whilst accepting banks and credit card companies are ensuring their fully secured for section 75 claims,(after getting burned by Monarch), the companies need for £17.5m (£15m bridging load and £2.5m first trench of gatwick slots to Vueling) in the last three weeks is a worry and now only £5m loan money to last two weeks.
Andrew Tinkler in his proposal to the board last week, thought the company still needed £80M in new capital
Once again you wonder if auditors asleep in the cockpit and the directors relaxing in first class.