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[textarea]Road from Horsforth to Menston second most congested in Leeds
A campaign to end the gridlock on one of the worst affected roads in Leeds is being launched.
And local people are being urged to turn out to lobby for changes to tackle congestion through Aireborough and Horsforth before the situation gets any worse.
Aireborough Civic Society and Apperley Lane Residents Association want a detailed plan of action to improve the A65 – which they say is the second most congested road in Leeds – from Horsforth to Menston.
They are also campaigning for action to clear congestion on the A658 Bradford to Pool road.
The two groups are organising a public meeting in Rawdon this month – and they are stressing the need for local people to turn up and make their voices heard.
Local MP Paul Truswell will chair the meeting, and invitations have also been sent out to councillors, highways officers and Metro, the West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Authority.
Campaigners say nothing substantial has been done to alleviate the problem despite a number of housing developments in recent years and the expansion of Leeds Bradford Airport.
They say the only significant improvement they are aware of has been the Guiseley roundabout – and now they say residents are having to cope with rat running, unreliable bus services, parking in streets close to local railway stations, and increasing numbers of cars and taxis on the roads.
They say congestion now regularly occurs all day on Saturdays and Sundays on the A65 at Yeadon, and during rush hours on Monday to Friday.
Campaigners say there are now long tailbacks at many junctions, including Horsforth roundabout, Rawdon crossroads, Kirk Lane, Greengates, Apperley Lane, Green Lane, Murgatroyds and the Carlton crossroads.
The civic society says: “We have been told that the A65 is the second most congested road in Leeds. Although some changes have been made between the Horsforth roundabout and the centre of Leeds, nothing is planned for this area despite plans to increase the size of Leeds Bradford Airport and the many housing developments built in this area with more planned.
“Congestion is getting worse, especially at weekends. It seems that we have been forgotten about. Aireborough Civic Society hopes that the public meeting on Tuesday, March 23, will be the start of a campaign to improve the transport infrastructure along the A65 and A658. Solutions are needed and plans need to be drawn up now.
“We should like Metro to work with Leeds City Council and Bradford Council to produce a detailed report for both roads so that congestion hotspots are identified and improvements made. This information should be made easily accessible to the public so that we can all campaign for improvements.”
Campaigners are also calling for more bus lanes.
The society says: “It is in everyone’s interest that more people use public transport instead of driving, but at the moment buses are under-used because they get caught up in congestion and therefore take too long and are unreliable. Bus lanes are the only answer, but they should only be for buses at busy times and all traffic at other times, eg A65 travelling to Leeds before Horsforth roundabout.
“Some congested junctions would appear to be quite easy to improve, eg at Rawdon crossroads during the morning rush hour traffic travelling into Leeds queues, while the filter for the right turn on to the A658 for traffic coming from Leeds is green for long periods with very little traffic turning right. It would appear changing the traffic light timings would solve the problem.”
Civic society spokesman Clive Woods said: “Congestion is perhaps the biggest local problem in that it affects everyone.
“For far too long it would appear that the congestion problems in this area have been ignored. Other parts of Leeds have had bus lanes (A64), guided bus ways (A61) and Stanningley roundabout was improved. Burley Road has new bus lanes. As far as we are aware nothing is planned for this area.”
Metro chairman Ryk Downes said officers would be going to the meeting to discuss the issues.
He pointed to the £20m bus lane initiative for the Kirkstall stretch of the A65 which has been confirmed this week, but he said the civic society wanted more.
Horsforth councillor Brian Cleasby also stressed his sympathies with the groups and argued that a big part of the problem was the way local employment land has been used for housing – forcing people to travel longer disatances to work.
Coun Cleasby, succeeded this week in getting Leeds City Council’s scrutiny board to agree to look at the way employment land is being given over to housing.
In calling for an inquiry he told the board: “There are only four crossing points in the Upper Aire Valley – Hollins Hill at Guiseley, Apperley Bridge at Rawdon, the ring road, and at Kirkstall lights. All of these roads are inadequate for the traffic now forced to use them as more and more residents are forced to travel to access employment. The ring road and Kirkstall lights are also congested by traffic simply entering the City on this corridor.”
Yesterday he said: “We have got to stop causing people to have to drive around our city. I have every sympathy with the Aireborough Civic Society.”
Mr Truswell said: “I have long advocated a joined up approach to the whole issue of development in the A65 corridor and its impact on local neighbourhoods. I very much welcome the initiative being taken by Apperley Lane Residents Association and Otley and Yeadon councillor Colin Campbell said: “Congestion is a problem throughout the whole of north-west Leeds made worse by the Government’s insistence that a large number of houses are built in the area. We need a radical overhall of public transport to encourage people to use an alternative to cars.”
The public meeting will take place at Trinity Church, Rawdon, on Tuesday, March 23 at 7.30pm.
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A campaign to end the gridlock on one of the worst affected roads in Leeds is being launched.
And local people are being urged to turn out to lobby for changes to tackle congestion through Aireborough and Horsforth before the situation gets any worse.
Aireborough Civic Society and Apperley Lane Residents Association want a detailed plan of action to improve the A65 – which they say is the second most congested road in Leeds – from Horsforth to Menston.
They are also campaigning for action to clear congestion on the A658 Bradford to Pool road.
The two groups are organising a public meeting in Rawdon this month – and they are stressing the need for local people to turn up and make their voices heard.
Local MP Paul Truswell will chair the meeting, and invitations have also been sent out to councillors, highways officers and Metro, the West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Authority.
Campaigners say nothing substantial has been done to alleviate the problem despite a number of housing developments in recent years and the expansion of Leeds Bradford Airport.
They say the only significant improvement they are aware of has been the Guiseley roundabout – and now they say residents are having to cope with rat running, unreliable bus services, parking in streets close to local railway stations, and increasing numbers of cars and taxis on the roads.
They say congestion now regularly occurs all day on Saturdays and Sundays on the A65 at Yeadon, and during rush hours on Monday to Friday.
Campaigners say there are now long tailbacks at many junctions, including Horsforth roundabout, Rawdon crossroads, Kirk Lane, Greengates, Apperley Lane, Green Lane, Murgatroyds and the Carlton crossroads.
The civic society says: “We have been told that the A65 is the second most congested road in Leeds. Although some changes have been made between the Horsforth roundabout and the centre of Leeds, nothing is planned for this area despite plans to increase the size of Leeds Bradford Airport and the many housing developments built in this area with more planned.
“Congestion is getting worse, especially at weekends. It seems that we have been forgotten about. Aireborough Civic Society hopes that the public meeting on Tuesday, March 23, will be the start of a campaign to improve the transport infrastructure along the A65 and A658. Solutions are needed and plans need to be drawn up now.
“We should like Metro to work with Leeds City Council and Bradford Council to produce a detailed report for both roads so that congestion hotspots are identified and improvements made. This information should be made easily accessible to the public so that we can all campaign for improvements.”
Campaigners are also calling for more bus lanes.
The society says: “It is in everyone’s interest that more people use public transport instead of driving, but at the moment buses are under-used because they get caught up in congestion and therefore take too long and are unreliable. Bus lanes are the only answer, but they should only be for buses at busy times and all traffic at other times, eg A65 travelling to Leeds before Horsforth roundabout.
“Some congested junctions would appear to be quite easy to improve, eg at Rawdon crossroads during the morning rush hour traffic travelling into Leeds queues, while the filter for the right turn on to the A658 for traffic coming from Leeds is green for long periods with very little traffic turning right. It would appear changing the traffic light timings would solve the problem.”
Civic society spokesman Clive Woods said: “Congestion is perhaps the biggest local problem in that it affects everyone.
“For far too long it would appear that the congestion problems in this area have been ignored. Other parts of Leeds have had bus lanes (A64), guided bus ways (A61) and Stanningley roundabout was improved. Burley Road has new bus lanes. As far as we are aware nothing is planned for this area.”
Metro chairman Ryk Downes said officers would be going to the meeting to discuss the issues.
He pointed to the £20m bus lane initiative for the Kirkstall stretch of the A65 which has been confirmed this week, but he said the civic society wanted more.
Horsforth councillor Brian Cleasby also stressed his sympathies with the groups and argued that a big part of the problem was the way local employment land has been used for housing – forcing people to travel longer disatances to work.
Coun Cleasby, succeeded this week in getting Leeds City Council’s scrutiny board to agree to look at the way employment land is being given over to housing.
In calling for an inquiry he told the board: “There are only four crossing points in the Upper Aire Valley – Hollins Hill at Guiseley, Apperley Bridge at Rawdon, the ring road, and at Kirkstall lights. All of these roads are inadequate for the traffic now forced to use them as more and more residents are forced to travel to access employment. The ring road and Kirkstall lights are also congested by traffic simply entering the City on this corridor.”
Yesterday he said: “We have got to stop causing people to have to drive around our city. I have every sympathy with the Aireborough Civic Society.”
Mr Truswell said: “I have long advocated a joined up approach to the whole issue of development in the A65 corridor and its impact on local neighbourhoods. I very much welcome the initiative being taken by Apperley Lane Residents Association and Otley and Yeadon councillor Colin Campbell said: “Congestion is a problem throughout the whole of north-west Leeds made worse by the Government’s insistence that a large number of houses are built in the area. We need a radical overhall of public transport to encourage people to use an alternative to cars.”
The public meeting will take place at Trinity Church, Rawdon, on Tuesday, March 23 at 7.30pm.
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I actually feel this is a rather balanced article and although the airport is mentioned, at least this time they aren't blaming the airport. One things for sure, something does need to be done to improve the congestion in the area but I can't imagine anyone will cough up the money to do it. I mean, what will Manchester do if some of their money is diverted to Yorkshire god forbid!
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[textarea]New firms to take over Wharfedale and Aireborough bus routes
New bus companies have been chosen to operate on several routes in Wharfedale and Aireborough.
Centrebus has been chosen to run the 747 route from Bradford to Leeds Bradford Airport via Greengates and Apperley Bridge and the 737 service from Bradford to the airport via Shipley and Guiseley.
Both services will operate on an hourly basis from 5am to midnight, seven days a week.
Bradford’s TLC Travel Ltd, meanwhile – which took over the Bradford to Otley section of the former First-run 653 service last summer – is to run the 967 from Menston train station to the airport via Otley and Pool-in-Wharfedale every half hour, again from 5am to midnight, seven days a week.
Metro chairman Councillor Ryk Downes (Lib Dem, Otley and Yeadon) said: “It’s good news that we have finally seen some meaningful competition and I look forward to the new services opertating efficiently, reliably and, hopefully, increasing patronage in this area.
“Having airport buses running from 5am to midnight means staff can use buses to access the airport as well as passengers. The airport needs to increase the numbers of people who access it using public transport.
“It will be good for people in Otley, for example, who have early morning flights to catch and for those returning in the evening who won’t have to pay for a taxi.”
Centrebus was also favoured by Metro’s tendered services committee, which met yester-day, to take over the running of the 757 from Leeds to the airport via Kirkstall Road on a half-hourly, 5am to midnight, basis each day of the week.
But the situation with the 757 (which will have a through-ticketing system with the 967 so passengers from Menston, Otley and Pool can catch a connecting bus to Leeds) has been complicated by the fact current operator, First, has also registered a commercial (7am to 7pm) route.
Metro says it will be up to Leeds Bradford Airport, as a private landowner, to decide which company to make a licensing agreement with.
The new-look services are due to begin on April 25 and the new contracts are for three years.
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New bus companies have been chosen to operate on several routes in Wharfedale and Aireborough.
Centrebus has been chosen to run the 747 route from Bradford to Leeds Bradford Airport via Greengates and Apperley Bridge and the 737 service from Bradford to the airport via Shipley and Guiseley.
Both services will operate on an hourly basis from 5am to midnight, seven days a week.
Bradford’s TLC Travel Ltd, meanwhile – which took over the Bradford to Otley section of the former First-run 653 service last summer – is to run the 967 from Menston train station to the airport via Otley and Pool-in-Wharfedale every half hour, again from 5am to midnight, seven days a week.
Metro chairman Councillor Ryk Downes (Lib Dem, Otley and Yeadon) said: “It’s good news that we have finally seen some meaningful competition and I look forward to the new services opertating efficiently, reliably and, hopefully, increasing patronage in this area.
“Having airport buses running from 5am to midnight means staff can use buses to access the airport as well as passengers. The airport needs to increase the numbers of people who access it using public transport.
“It will be good for people in Otley, for example, who have early morning flights to catch and for those returning in the evening who won’t have to pay for a taxi.”
Centrebus was also favoured by Metro’s tendered services committee, which met yester-day, to take over the running of the 757 from Leeds to the airport via Kirkstall Road on a half-hourly, 5am to midnight, basis each day of the week.
But the situation with the 757 (which will have a through-ticketing system with the 967 so passengers from Menston, Otley and Pool can catch a connecting bus to Leeds) has been complicated by the fact current operator, First, has also registered a commercial (7am to 7pm) route.
Metro says it will be up to Leeds Bradford Airport, as a private landowner, to decide which company to make a licensing agreement with.
The new-look services are due to begin on April 25 and the new contracts are for three years.
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Already touch on by Bigman and Lbaspotter, now confirmed by the local rag.
I'm please with the announcement. I don't think the service has improved under 'First' over the years and at last it looks as though some thought has gone into the new timetable. The new 5am start will give 'some' airport workers an option other than to drive to work although a lot more work will need to be done if the airport is serious at getting staff to use public transport.
I'm please with the announcement. I don't think the service has improved under 'First' over the years and at last it looks as though some thought has gone into the new timetable. The new 5am start will give 'some' airport workers an option other than to drive to work although a lot more work will need to be done if the airport is serious at getting staff to use public transport.
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I just hope that after all this, the buses are used sufficiently to ensure the routes survive.
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Well it looks like First may have one the rights to the 757 Leeds to Airport limited stoping shuttle service as today it was registred on the vosa website. No sign so far of Centerbus as yet.
White Heather
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That indicates a through route to Otley again. I thought the 757 was changing to terminate at the Airport in future?
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Hi Heather,
No it dose'nt inditate that its going to run through to Otley. You need to break it down a little bit.
1st read the very first bit "Variation Accepted"
2nd read the last bit. "To amend Route and Timetable".
3rd Read the middle bit that states that its currerntly registered "Operating between Otley Bus Station and Leeds City Bus Station"
So that plainly states that its currently operating between Leeds and Otley as we know but Firstbus have now asked for a "Variation of route" as we know they are to amend the route to operate only between Leeds Rail Station and The Airport, It also states that its timetable is aslo changing from April 25th 2010 as this will have to happen to make the changes work..
Hope that helps a little more.
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Centrebus have been awarded the Contract to run the new Express 757 Leeds - Airport shuttle service as Firstbus have been denied access to the Airport.
See the following PDF.
http://www.wyita.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/0488AA8F-9DE0-4602-B010-8EAB8E7C7C7D/0/TSWG7APRIL2010ITEM8.pdf
So this is how the new services stands as from late April 2010
737 = Bradford - Shipley - Guiseley - Yeadon - Airport = Centrebus
Will run every 1 hour all week = 05:00-00:00
747 = Bradford - Greengates - Rawdon - Yeadon - Airport = Centrebus
Will run every 1 hour all week = 05:00-00:00
757 = Leeds - Kirkstall - Horsforth - Rawdon - Airport = Centrebus
Monday to Saturday 05:00-07:00 & 19:00-00:00 & Sundays 05:00-00:00 will run every 1 hour.
Monday to Saturday 07:30-18:30 will run every 30 mins.
767 = Harrogate - Pannel - Huby/Weeton - Pool - Airport = Dales & District
Will run every 90 mins all week = 05:00-00:00
967 = Menston - Otley - Pool - Airport - Pool - Otley - Menston = TLC Travel
Monday to Saturday 05:00-07:00 & 19:00-00:00 & Sundays 05:00-00:00 will run every 1 hour.
Monday to Saturday 07:30-18:30 will run every 30 mins.
Centrebus have been awarded the Contract to run the new Express 757 Leeds - Airport shuttle service as Firstbus have been denied access to the Airport.
See the following PDF.
http://www.wyita.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/0488AA8F-9DE0-4602-B010-8EAB8E7C7C7D/0/TSWG7APRIL2010ITEM8.pdf
So this is how the new services stands as from late April 2010
737 = Bradford - Shipley - Guiseley - Yeadon - Airport = Centrebus
Will run every 1 hour all week = 05:00-00:00
747 = Bradford - Greengates - Rawdon - Yeadon - Airport = Centrebus
Will run every 1 hour all week = 05:00-00:00
757 = Leeds - Kirkstall - Horsforth - Rawdon - Airport = Centrebus
Monday to Saturday 05:00-07:00 & 19:00-00:00 & Sundays 05:00-00:00 will run every 1 hour.
Monday to Saturday 07:30-18:30 will run every 30 mins.
767 = Harrogate - Pannel - Huby/Weeton - Pool - Airport = Dales & District
Will run every 90 mins all week = 05:00-00:00
967 = Menston - Otley - Pool - Airport - Pool - Otley - Menston = TLC Travel
Monday to Saturday 05:00-07:00 & 19:00-00:00 & Sundays 05:00-00:00 will run every 1 hour.
Monday to Saturday 07:30-18:30 will run every 30 mins.
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All in all that seem much better than what we have at the moment although I would say that the 757 service in particular needs to operate at least every 20 min as opposed to every half hour.
At peek times the service gets very congested. I would also say it needs to operate 24H even if only hourly through the night between 23:00 and 04:00 during the summer months and perhaps between 22:00 and 05:00 during the winter.
Check-in opens at 04:00 for Ryanair flights throughout the summer on a daily basis, both Jet2 and Thomas Cook will have flights that check-in even earlier, perhaps as early as 02:30 on some days, so people on those flights wont even have public transport to consider. Also, the airport has arriving flights throughout the night and again, non of the public transport options will be suitable for those passengers.
On a final note, I can't understand why the contract for the Harrogate service has been changed. The current operator has maintained a goo service throughout their contract period so far as I can tell.
At peek times the service gets very congested. I would also say it needs to operate 24H even if only hourly through the night between 23:00 and 04:00 during the summer months and perhaps between 22:00 and 05:00 during the winter.
Check-in opens at 04:00 for Ryanair flights throughout the summer on a daily basis, both Jet2 and Thomas Cook will have flights that check-in even earlier, perhaps as early as 02:30 on some days, so people on those flights wont even have public transport to consider. Also, the airport has arriving flights throughout the night and again, non of the public transport options will be suitable for those passengers.
On a final note, I can't understand why the contract for the Harrogate service has been changed. The current operator has maintained a goo service throughout their contract period so far as I can tell.
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I would assume that all the service providers, including the 767 to Harrogate, have been changed because both First and Harrogate & District dominate the market to an extent where they have a complete monopoloy on their respective areas.
As Metro, LCR and local councils work towards introducing Quality Bus Contracts, I assume they want to break up some of the monopolies and introduce as much level of competition as possible.
My own view is that First and H&D (particularly the latter) are both terrible bus operators anyway, and so these changes can only be good. I just hope the new operators are not worse.
As Metro, LCR and local councils work towards introducing Quality Bus Contracts, I assume they want to break up some of the monopolies and introduce as much level of competition as possible.
My own view is that First and H&D (particularly the latter) are both terrible bus operators anyway, and so these changes can only be good. I just hope the new operators are not worse.
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I have no knowledge of the service Harrogate & District provide in the Harrogate area other than the service to the airport is prompt and always on schedule, hence why I thought it was strange to remove them from this particular service.
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Hi
The new timetable for services 737, 747, 767 and 967 are showing up on the wymetro site now and can be found using the followw PDF links.
737 = Bradford - Shipley - Guiseley - Yeadon - Airport = To be operated by Centrebus
http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/9BD089F1-7E67-4461-9D5C-3A6748707F51/0/737bustimetable.pdf
747 = Bradford - Greengates - Rawdon - Yeadon - Airport = To be operated by Centrebus
http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/EDE2240B-10E2-4608-B6FD-29EDEB8A7138/0/747bustimetable.pdf
767 = Harrogate - Pannel - Huby/Weeton - Pool - Airport = To be operated by Dales and District buses
http://www.dalesanddistrict.co.uk/pdf/767.pdf
967 = Menston Rail Station - Otley - Pool - Airport = To be operated by TLC Travel (Bradford)
http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/CD1E58E6-D2E0-453C-AB87-5DB03442CBDE/0/967bustimetable.pdf
Still to come services 757
The new timetable for services 737, 747, 767 and 967 are showing up on the wymetro site now and can be found using the followw PDF links.
737 = Bradford - Shipley - Guiseley - Yeadon - Airport = To be operated by Centrebus
http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/9BD089F1-7E67-4461-9D5C-3A6748707F51/0/737bustimetable.pdf
747 = Bradford - Greengates - Rawdon - Yeadon - Airport = To be operated by Centrebus
http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/EDE2240B-10E2-4608-B6FD-29EDEB8A7138/0/747bustimetable.pdf
767 = Harrogate - Pannel - Huby/Weeton - Pool - Airport = To be operated by Dales and District buses
http://www.dalesanddistrict.co.uk/pdf/767.pdf
967 = Menston Rail Station - Otley - Pool - Airport = To be operated by TLC Travel (Bradford)
http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/CD1E58E6-D2E0-453C-AB87-5DB03442CBDE/0/967bustimetable.pdf
Still to come services 757
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I have been informed that Leeds City Council is to withdraw the traffic warden patrol at the airport. The service is currently being paid for by the airport authority so presumably the airport has decided not to continue paying for this service.
This seems a little daft considering the number of parking offences there are down White House Lane with people parking on double yellow lines, blocking junctions and roundabouts. I hope the new resident Police force will be able to assist.
This seems a little daft considering the number of parking offences there are down White House Lane with people parking on double yellow lines, blocking junctions and roundabouts. I hope the new resident Police force will be able to assist.
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757 Service update. Looks like First have now been allowed back into the airport along with the new Centrebus contract
Centrebus will operate daily Monday to Sunday from Leeds Bradford International Airport to Leeds Bus Station every half hour from 5am until 8pm and then hourly until midnight. In Leeds City Centre the service will operate towards the bus station via The Headrow, Park Row, City Square, Boar Lane, Duncan Street and York Street. Journeys towards the Airport will operate via Leeds Rail Station and Wellington Street.
First will operate a half-hourly service between Leeds Rail Station and the Airport between 7am and 7pm, Monday to Saturday only and will operate from Stand 1.
Timetable
http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/yor...hp?&operator=16&depart_from=&going_to=&page=3
Journeys between Otley, Pool and the Airport will now be provided by revised service 967, every half hour. This service will connect with departures on Centrebus's 757 service, allowing a six-minute interchange, and through tickets will be available
Centrebus will operate daily Monday to Sunday from Leeds Bradford International Airport to Leeds Bus Station every half hour from 5am until 8pm and then hourly until midnight. In Leeds City Centre the service will operate towards the bus station via The Headrow, Park Row, City Square, Boar Lane, Duncan Street and York Street. Journeys towards the Airport will operate via Leeds Rail Station and Wellington Street.
First will operate a half-hourly service between Leeds Rail Station and the Airport between 7am and 7pm, Monday to Saturday only and will operate from Stand 1.
Timetable
http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/yor...hp?&operator=16&depart_from=&going_to=&page=3
Journeys between Otley, Pool and the Airport will now be provided by revised service 967, every half hour. This service will connect with departures on Centrebus's 757 service, allowing a six-minute interchange, and through tickets will be available
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It sounds like First are a bunch of poor losers after losing the contract initially. They haven't been interested in operating an improved service until now, so why the sudden interest? Sounds like dirty tricks tactics by First as far as I'm concerned.
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