Leeds Bradford: Future Infrastructure Developments

[Sherburnflyer92]

I must admit i will be really dissapointed if LBA just gets a terminal extension to the existing non green building, it will serve no purpose at all, before long wont be able to cope with the extra millions of passengers and i cant see any new airlines wanting to start ops, thats my thoughts.

We will all be disappointed but to say the extension will serve no purpose at all is very disingenuous. It serves to facilitate many more pax though the building whilst also improving the customer experience. Therefore it will serve a good purpose.

But the airport will just keep its same old bad stigma, one stigma is that its known for bits stuck onto the old building!
The airport needs and has to have a completely new terminal to move forwards or else once again we will just be in the same position, ok yes we might attract more pax with current airlines using LBA adding additional flights but also providing we have apron space available. Im sorry but adding bits onto the existing terminal is not acceptable for yorkshires so called prem airport.

The only person that goes on about the stigma, day in day out, is you. Have you been up at LBA recently or pre pandemic? They were digging many different holes in the short stay car park. It is a new part of the terminal and looking at the plans to provide a decent appearance in terms of where the current entrance/exits are as well as extending that. I also think they'll improve some of the terminal building that will be hidden within the plans. So my question to you is with an improved customer experience to hopefully a high standard as @Easy189 as said, how will we be in the same position? Remember the carbon free or other terminal waiting on Gove does nothing to address stands and therefore overnight parked aircraft.

I agree it's turning a farce. But at least we've got a back up. Approved and in the bag back up which has ground works done. It's not all that bad.

 

[Len Fish]

But of a dilemma for Gove. If he approves the new terminal the opponents will forget about the green element of it and just wrongly accuse him of allowing expansion of polluting flights. If he doesn’t approve the new terminal then he’ll be accused of ignoring its green credentials and de facto allowing its less green alternative to go ahead whilst at the same time still being accused (wrongly) of sanctioning flight expansion. Added to all this he’s now in charge of levelling up so won’t look too good on that score if he rejects the application. No wonder it’s still at the bottom of his in tray and he goes clubbing to forget!

 

[ls27]

LBA4EVER has a point. He may repeat it again and again, but we must respect his point of view and all other people who have different views to our own,

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

I wouldn't want to dampen down anyone's passion. However hammering home the same point time and time again and then basically saying the 2019 approved plans are useless and won't do anything is very very disingenuous. Especially when neither plan takes into consideration an expansion of parking stands.

 

[White Heather]

I wouldn't want to dampen down anyone's passion. However hammering home the same point time and time again and then basically saying the 2019 approved plans are useless and won't do anything is very very disingenuous. Especially when neither plan takes into consideration an expansion of parking stands.

Neither plan covers an expansion of parking stands because doing so doesn't need planning consent. Why include such work in a planning application? It's nothing to do with the Council.

LBA have included expanding the stands in their future plans, in stages, and have said many times that they will do so if and when the demand is there for more stands. Clearly they don't see the overcrowding on the Eastern apron as sufficiently problematic to justify more stands just yet, , whilst the Covid pandemic has clearly reduced the need to a degree. For most of the last year, there have been empty stands on the apron even at busy times.

 

[LBA4EVER]

If all we get is an extension to the existing building then passengers flying from leeds are just going to be greated by the same old 1960s building, also lets remember too that by building a new terminal at the eastern end will in fact create far more apron space because im betting over time the old terminal, car parks etc will be demolished to make more space. Far as im concerned new terminal and nothing else, thanks for your support ls27!

 

[White Heather]

If all we get is an extension to the existing building then passengers flying from leeds are just going to be greated by the same old 1960s building, also lets remember too that by building a new terminal at the eastern end will in fact create far more apron space because im betting over time the old terminal, car parks etc will be demolished to make more space. Far as im concerned new terminal and nothing else, thanks for your support ls27!

You are preaching to the converted. Everyone recognises the need for a new terminal. But so far, it's being blocked, and if that continues, the airport have two choices. Do nothing and stagnate, or potentially go backwards, or, as they propose, build the 2019 approved extension, which at least resolves the current problems arising from the wholly inadequate arrivals area. The plans for the new arrivals area were very good. After completion, the area currently occupied by arrivals will be available to enlarge the departure lounges.

It's a case of owt's better than nowt. You really don't need to tell us we need a new terminal. We all think the same, and it's Michael Gove you need to be telling!

 

[A400]

For me it’s better than nothing. Though yes the new terminal is preferable but if the government don’t give approval at some point then plan B will have to be done as I’m sure LBA will tired of waiting now and rightly so.

An extension is better than nothing at all.

 

[Bigman]

Still no word on this I see despite the politicians all doing their blah blah blah up in Glasgow.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Still no word on this I see despite the politicians all doing their blah blah blah up in Glasgow.

Thought it was greta who liked to blah blah blah haha

 

[Len Fish]

I don’t know if it’s my imagination but the Government do seem to be taking a softer line on aviation in the last couple of months or so. They seem to have gone from trying to discourage flying to realising it’s essential but will need to clean up its act by using cleaner fuels and going electric where possible.

 

[Finger66]

Starting with a brand new Green Terminal at LBA!

 

[Aviador]

I don’t know if it’s my imagination but the Government do seem to be taking a softer line on aviation in the last couple of months or so. They seem to have gone from trying to discourage flying to realising it’s essential but will need to clean up its act by using cleaner fuels and going electric where possible.

Well it contributes a relatively small amount of co2 compared with other industries

 

[XEROX]

Well it contributes a relatively small amount of co2 compared with other industries

Ironically, it will be less then an electric car manufacturing plant.

 

[A400]

Just had to do an activity which involved LBA getting a new runway and had to list the impacts this would have.
I obviously had to say the most obvious one which was WOKIES who moan about everything aviation related.



But some good points as it might bring more aircraft and business/revenue to the airport and more tourism to Yorkshire

 

[LBA4EVER]

Just had to do an activity which involved LBA getting a new runway and had to list the impacts this would have.
I obviously had to say the most obvious one which was WOKIES who moan about everything aviation related.



But some good points as it might bring more aircraft and business/revenue to the airport and more tourism to Yorkshire

A longer runway would mean aircraft use less fuel! Believe im part correct there?

 

[A400]

A longer runway would mean aircraft use less fuel! Believe im part correct there?

No I mean a second runway lol.

 

[LBA4EVER]

No I mean a second runway lol.

Bring it on, lets have 2 runways then haha

 

[Yorkieflyer]

A longer runway (with extensions both ends) would mean less noise...
1. Take off at Reduced Thrust would be far more possible than it is now (longer Accelerate/Stop distance available and using an extension at the 32 Threshold end would mean better Climb Limit performance regarding the Chevin)
2. Reverse thrust required less as more Landing Distance Available (extensions at stop end of runway)

Most aircraft have limits on Glideslope angle for Cat3 Autoland of around 3.2 degrees (hence no Cat 3 on runway 14 due to its 3.5 degree slope)
by lengthening the runway at both ends and installing 3.2 degree glide slopes at both ends the 32 Threshold 'Could' be brought forward to allow greater landing distance whilst having the effect of placing the aircraft higher over central and north Leeds due to the slightly steeper approach angle (320ft/mile vs 300'/mile) allowing Cat3 autolands and lower reverse thrust whilst it would allow for the threshold of 14 to be displaced further into the runway but stiill allowing Cat3 on the 14 end. (3.2 still within aircraft limits, clearance over the chevin remaining the same whilst also having the effect of decreasing terrain closure rates due to the new 320'/mile descent rate vs the current 350'/mile rate)

Of course its all hypothetical...

 

[LBA4EVER]

Good points yorkieflyer with interesting details, although try explaining this to the narrow minded ER and the like! They dont think the way we do.