Leeds Bradford: Future Infrastructure Developments

[Bigman]

I just wish they would get on with it whichever build they end up doing. Get the Komatsu 350's out!!

 

[gcoabc1]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this.?
I find it really hard to understand how “educated” and academic people, that ER and GALBA experts purport to be, cannot come up with constructive and supportive ideas on how to improve the environment by working with those industries involved.
I just read an aviation article on BBC news about the critically adverse impact of contrails on the climate but that some small, relatively inexpensive software adaptations could dramatically reduce their production. These studies by experts in this field, and mostly professors, of the contrail effects are European wide and in the US and are so appealing that Lufthansa and BA are very interested. Surely this must be the right way to push forward aviation improvements rather than counter productive protests that actually make the overall situation worse.

 

[Aviador]

This maybe moved to Global warming or Global cooling thread in the main forum.

The scientific evidence regarding contrails potentially affecting the climate could well be real but there is also a large scientific community that believes that space weather can cause the same effect. I belive this is referred to as cloud seeding. Its ironic that the same scientific community that dismiss the idea of cloud seeding from space weather are the same people who now say contrails can affect the weather. It is likely that both forms of cloud seeding are entirely possible but we only have control over one of these.

Anyone who is interested in planetary science will be aware of weather changes on neighbouring planets in our solar system. Some may remember a huge planet wide dust storm on Mars a couple of years ago. Similar significant changes have recently taken place on Jupiter. There are some people who claim this is caused by space weather and again this is something that was dismissed by the IPCC yet we are observing these changes on other planets in our solar system. https://news.sky.com/story/nasa-sci...iters-great-red-spot-is-accelerating-12420306

 

[rollo]

I read across the forum in general including this thread , I do not have a dog in this fight but this is my take. I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong.

As I understand it the airport owners have approval to build a terminal on the existing site starting immediately if they so choose and said terminal will have a capacity of seven million passengers per annum it will not be carbon neutral etc.

Alternatively a new more efficient terminal which will have the same capacity and WILL be carbon neutral is proposed and has pretty much gone through the approval process to the point construction could start given its final approval is given or objections dropped

Now given the choice of a non carbon neutral terminal and a neutral carbon terminal because as a matter of fact that appears to be the choice if I was a green (I'm not) surely I'd go for the second option otherwise I'd end with either the current non carbon neutral terminal or a bigger non carbon neutral terminal or is that too logical?


Finally regarding the university students well like most young folk they make a lot of noise which is fair enough however as most of them will disappear to different parts of the country or further afield only to be replaced by another lot (twas ever the same) meanwhile the local citizens live with the consequences.

Sorry to intrude and await any corrections in my take on the subject.

 

[Aviador]

@rollo Yes you've got it which is why we think it is completely ridiculous this is even still under consideration. The application was only called in by the government due to it being within a greenbelt boundry. The actual land on which the new terminal would be placed is currently 1m deep in concrete as it currently forms part of the aircraft parking apron. The airport will make no intrusion into green fields or woodland. There is no logical reason other than political to hang on to this application.

 

[rollo]

In that case it's bonkers.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

In that case it's bonkers.

The Green communists (or terrorists if they have anything to do with insulate Britain) will fight it though. I wouldn’t worry about that.

 

[Len Fish]

This whole situation is actually quite comical and beggars belief. The new terminal is a no brainer compared to the alternative. But agree it's good to see alternative plans being pushed forwards which as you say may just apply some gentle pressure in the right areas

I can think of an intimate area of Gove’s body where applying more than gentle pressure might get us the right result!

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

I can think of an intimate area of Gove’s body where applying more than gentle pressure might get us the right result!

A bag of something may also work

 

[A400]

I'm wondering when GALBA will become Insulate Leeds.

God please no. The roads are enough of a nightmare without those wasters causing more mayhem!!

 

[White Heather]

God please no. The roads are enough of a nightmare without those wasters causing more mayhem!!

How can they seriously become Insulate Leeds when they are fighting a carbon neutral and very well insulated terminal, forcing the airport instead to use a terminal that's as far from green as it's possible to get!
Remember that GALBA equates to NIMBY. Most if them are not, in my view, environmentalists, but link themselves to such groups to add weight and get funding.

 

[A400]

How can they seriously become Insulate Leeds when they are fighting a carbon neutral and very well insulated terminal, forcing the airport instead to use a terminal that's as far from green as it's possible to get!

Unfortunately that’s how they operate and don’t see the benefits as they’re not that intelligent. I’m mind boggled by their opinions to the new terminal to but unfortunately they jump on the usual Environment bandwagon and presume it’s expansion. I’m with you though I don’t get why they’re against. Just from a fact they’re aviation haters.

And it wouldn’t surprise me at least as most of them probably support Insulate Britain. As they claim to support the environment

 

[rmac]

What has amazed me about the whole thing is the fact that several MPs openly opposed the project. Especially the MP for York, a city that thrives on tourism so to have a better, welcoming and impressive terminal to arrive into Yorkshire must be a good thing. Imagine foreign visitors, for example Americans deciding they would like to visit York and other attractions and then checking on the best way to get there! "Well Leeds has an airport which is near but you probably will have to fly to Manchester first then drive 70 odd miles over the Pennines!" they are told. And even if they came via LBA would the experience impress them about coming to Yorkshire? How much better a modern airport, with good connections -airport station to York,
This is a project worthy of full support, especially as it is addressing environmental concerns.

 

[Jetchaser]

Clever move and this will certainly rattle cages. It will serve GALBA right to get the growth anyway and a dirty old terminal with yet another extension. Their objections will have resulted in a gain of nothing and not only won't there be a new carbon neutral terminal, there won't be the huge tree planting offset that was part of the new terminal proposal.

Talk about own goal! Complete mugs and now in check, with checkmate the next move for LBA.

Was thinking exactly the same. It will serve all GALBA and other objectors right...they will have certainly kicked themselves in the foot!

 

[Finger66]

Wonder if Yann Songo’o is a member of GALBA as he has already had one own goal this week! Why is it only ourselves that see this as a no brainier. It’s a perfect opportunity for the government to prove they are committed to greener things. If not approved, as we know, the alternative less green option happens!

 

[ls27]

The over-riding control is votes, so that MPs can enjoy a very good way of life that they have. After all they do deserve it!!!

 

[ChrisBBB]

Wonder if Yann Songo’o is a member of GALBA as he has already had one own goal this week! Why is it only ourselves that see this as a no brainier. It’s a perfect opportunity for the government to prove they are committed to greener things. If not approved, as we know, the alternative less green option happens!

Probably only me on here who doesn’t have to google who Yann is!

 

[Seasider]

No, I don't know who he is, nor have the desire to find out.

 

[Finger66]

Just throwing some BCAFC bias in with players names. They deserved to be named and shamed after Tuesday but have bounced back in style today. Let’s hope Gove bounces back in style soon too

 

[Coathanger16]

How can they seriously become Insulate Leeds when they are fighting a carbon neutral and very well insulated terminal, forcing the airport instead to use a terminal that's as far from green as it's possible to get!

One possible angle here:

Any airport expansion/development will help said airport be more profitable, attract new airlines/routes, process more passengers otherwise the airport wouldn't be investing the time or money - 3 things that the likes of GALBA, ER and the like are against.

In their minds, if allowing expansion/development achieves those things, denying expansion/development would do the opposite - i.e. the airport would become less profitable, airlines leave the airport and the airport handles less passengers - 3 things the likes of GALBA & ER want.

What has amazed me about the whole thing is the fact that several MPs openly opposed the project. Especially the MP for York, a city that thrives on tourism so to have a better, welcoming and impressive terminal to arrive into Yorkshire must be a good thing. Imagine foreign visitors, for example Americans deciding they would like to visit York and other attractions and then checking on the best way to get there! "Well Leeds has an airport which is near but you probably will have to fly to Manchester first then drive 70 odd miles over the Pennines!" they are told. And even if they came via LBA would the experience impress them about coming to Yorkshire? How much better a modern airport, with good connections -airport station to York,
This is a project worthy of full support, especially as it is addressing environmental concerns.

Have you ever flown through an American airport? Whilst a few are new/modern, the vast majority aren't:

Terminal 7 at JFK - operated by BA - was built in 1970.
Terminals 2 & 3 at Chicago O'hare opened in 1962.
The main terminal at Washington Dulles opened in 1962.

Only now are some of these airports undergoing multi-billion dollar redevelopments, often funded by the state.

Currently, and for the foreseeable future, the vast majority of American tourists will arrive either at a London airport or Manchester.