Pakistan International Airlines

[lbaspotter]

Can i just add a little to this. I understand that the A310-300 belonging to PIA are not now going to be banned from European Airspace. PIA has gone out of its way recently to fix any problems with all aircraft within its fleet as quickly as possiable.

It took 12 aircraft out of service just recently and it caused a lot of delays locally throughout Pakistan, This included some of the airlines Airbus A310's, Boeing 747's & 777's along with a few ATR aircraft. They did this so to have a good Hajj operating season which commenced yesterday for them and continues until early December.

There are reports this weekend that PIA will announce an order for some new aircraft in December to replace some of the airlines A310's and B747's. Its most likely going to add more Boeing 777's to the long Haul fleet. While an order will also be placed for some short haul aircraft with either Airbus A320's or Boeing 737-800 to replace the airlines ageing Boeing 737-300's. Weather this happens, Remains to be seen

See following link for details. http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=70501&Cat=5&dt=10/2/2011

 

[Jordan-34092]

Well lets hope, if they do buy more B777, that it is the 200ER and LR series, the more of these means a more of a better chance of the operation continuing once rid of the A310.

 

[Bigman]

I would not be surprised if PIA wait to see what 767's become available on the market once the 787's become more abundant.

 

[Jordan-34092]

But it is confirmed December PIA are to order new aircraft.

This is some of the things, i think that might happen.

More B777 are to be ordered to replace the 747 and the A310 on high Passenger load routes.

???? to replace 6 A310 aircraft, wonder what this could be?
(perhaps 767's, A330's or Il-96's Although unlikely for this type of aircraft)

A320/737-700 to replace the 737-300 aircraft.

If anyone thinks otherwise, please share i would like to see how you think things could turn out for the fleet.

 

[aroosh]

You really have ALOT of faith. New aircraft were "about to be ordered" since the last few years to replace the 737 and A310 fleets.
In fact weve already seen an A320 deal gone bad some years ago.
Theres a saying in PIA, the aircraft isnt coming, until its standing on the ramp in KHI in the airlines colours.

 

[Jordan-34092]

You really have ALOT of faith. New aircraft were "about to be ordered" since the last few years to replace the 737 and A310 fleets.
In fact weve already seen an A320 deal gone bad some years ago.
Theres a saying in PIA, the aircraft isnt coming, until its standing on the ramp in KHI in the airlines colours.

Even you, staff of the airline, don't have much faith in new aircraft.

Although it would be good to see something like this in the fleet.

Or this, part of the star alliance

 

[*-City Of Bradford-*]

PIA plans to introduce 777 in LBA summer 2012 according to Telegraph and Argus

Super-sized airliners could be a regular sight over the skies of West Yorkshire if plans to introduce the Boeing 777 to Leeds- Bradford International Airport (LBIA) get the go ahead.

Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has confirmed that it is planning to introduce the jet for its twice-weekly run to Islamabad and did not rule out expansion plans in the future.

Known as the Triple Seven, it is the world’s largest twin-engine aircraft and has twice the passenger capacity of any of the aircraft operating from the Yeadon airport.

The wide-body ‘jumbo’ can carry 440 passengers. The largest aircraft that operates out of LBIA, the Airbus A310, can only take up to 220 passengers.

The Airbus A310 also pales in comparison in its dimensions with a wingspan of 44 metres and an overall length of 47 metres compared to the 777’s 61 metres and 64 metres respectively.

Originally, the introduction had been planned for September but plans were put back.

Mansoon Mela, UK and Ireland manager for PIA, said: “At the moment all our planes are taken up with the Hajj pilgrimage in Mecca. Instead we are aiming for the summer schedule in April.”

Read more on this story in today's T&A

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _Airport_/

 

[White Heather]

Thanks for that City of Bradford - it sounds promising, although there are many who are of the opinion that it will never happen. We will have to wait and hope.

Pity that the T & A can't get its facts right though about the largest aircraft operating out of LBA. Ok the A310 is a wide body aircraft, but the 757 is surely longer and has a bigger seating capacity, whilst the TOM 767-300 we have seen for most of this summer is certainly bigger. At least the T & A seems capable of printing something positive though, unlike another paper around here that doesn't even appear to have done anything relating to LBA's 80th birthday as far as I can see. I don't buy the paper, but do check on line and there has been nothing so far.

 

[tleeds]

I would say that this is a step in the right direction for the PIA service, but wouldn't say it's something to completely reply on...

 

[Jordan-34092]

I would say that this is a step in the right direction for the PIA service, but wouldn't say it's something to completely reply on...

Like i said before, It will be believe-able once we see the 777 on approach to LBA Runway.

 

[Jordan-34092]

A310 PIA Amazing aircraft. 7 mile from airport a loud rumble can be heard, PIA at full speed bearing down runway, next thing flings it self into the air at a 45 degree angle (give or take). What an amazing sound it was to hear i couldn't believe the fact i heard it on full take off from the runway. Thought i share with you lovely aviation enthusiastic people.

Shame it was dark would have loved to have been able to record the whole process.

 

[User0001]

What an amazing sound it was to hear

Just wait until the B777 comes. A full power take off is going to be needed from LBA so the sound will be immense!

 

[Aviador]

What an amazing sound it was to hear

Just wait until the B777 comes. A full power take off is going to be needed from LBA so the sound will be immense!

I don't know, I much prefer the roar of a 757 personally.

 

[tleeds]

Same here Aviador. I don't want the time to come where there will be no 757's left.

I do think Boeing should consider a replacement for the B757! The Boeing 737-900, I think, isn't as good a replacement as they market it to be. The A321 is the most likely candidate for any airline now that 757's are dwindling in numbers.

I do hope that Boeing re-design the B757 one day... Anyway back to PIA.

 

[bobleeds]

What is all this with the sound of an A310 at take off. I think the sound is fairly bland like most aircraft of the era. Now a 707, VC10 or TU154...............................

 

[Aviador]

What is all this with the sound of an A310 at take off. I think the sound is fairly bland like most aircraft of the era. Now a 707, VC10 or TU154...............................

Now you're showing your age Bob. :s_laughat

 

[whoshotjimmi]

Firstly, the 787 variants are designed to replace the 757 and 767 and compete with various offerings from Airbus. The model sits in the market perfectly. In fact, Boeing even scrapped a smaller version of the 787 due to lack of demand. A larger version to replace the 777 still has not passed the planning stage. I would therefore consider it very unlikely that there will ever be a 757 redesign. Especially with the 737 MAX program underway.

Secondly, I agree with bobleeds that the A310 is a rather bland sounding aircraft. Very loud but nothing special.

Thirdly, IF PIA bring a 777 to Leeds, then we will hear something special. They make an outrageous noise.

Incidentally, Aviador, one does not have to be old to appreciate a VC10 or TU154. It is only a few short years since the latter regularly serviced LBA.

 

[masere]

The a310 must be the loudest we get here, either that or the 767. You can tell both of them apart from the likes of the usual 73's/75's we get. I too would hate to see the 75's go - maybe Ryanair could replace their 73's with them?

 

[White Heather]

The PIA A310 is, I believe, officially the loudest aircraft operating into LBA - the reason why it has fallen foul of the noise restrictions after 2300 on a good few occasions. The 767 I believe falls just inside the limits. The 777 is quieter and LBA directors have said it will not contravene the planning regulations, even if it does leave after 2300.

Personally I do not think the A310 is noisy at all, but at the risk of showing my age, nothing these days is noisy compared to what I grew up with - 1-11's were about as noisy as you could get, even after they had hush kits added. The 737-200 had a fantastic 'crackle' that echoed off the runway surface, whilst the 707, 727, DC9 and Tu154 all made a fabulous racket. I miss all of them. Then of course there was Concorde, which was in a different league as far as sound is concerned - and even the 747, which I always found to make a loud noise, but not one that was as 'piercing' as the old Chapter 2 aircraft types.

I have to say I would seriously love to hear the sound of some of the old turbo props too - I always loved the sound of the Rolls Royce Dart engines powering the Viscounts, F27's Heralds and HS748's, and always loved to hear the sound of those 4 darts winding up on a Viscount at the start of the take off run. It was always nice to hear other turbo prop types too - aircraft such as the IL18 that visited LBA from time to time in the 80's and which sounded very like the Vickers Vanguard - itself an aircraft that made a lovely sound, although I never saw one at LBA ( I believe one did land here though).

Anyway, back to PIA - this is going down the road of the Nostalgia thread now!

 

[Moo2009]

Leaving the airport tonight I noticed servisair were taking delivery of a large set of aircraft steps, this could be for the triple 7