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[YorkshirePud]

SeanM’s post on twitter references not many routes on sale for S26.. think we have almost a copy and paste job at LBA from S25 minus the extra peak rotations (which I believe were added later for this year)… So unless they’re reviewing and planning on cancelling some flights which I think is fairly unlikely(?), maybe we’ll get away unscathed..

 

[lbaspotter]

SeanM’s post on twitter references not many routes on sale for S26.. think we have almost a copy and paste job at LBA from S25 minus the extra peak rotations (which I believe were added later for this year)… So unless they’re reviewing and planning on cancelling some flights which I think is fairly unlikely(?), maybe we’ll get away unscathed..

How is it unscathed if the extra flights aren't re-added?

If I remember correctly that's a reduction of at least 9x flights each week during PEAK which were all operated by Boeing 737-800's. (7x of which were w-legs into LTN) with the extra based aircraft. Which if I also remember correctly the CEO of LBA was quoted as saying that aircraft would be fully utilised out of LBA next summer 2026.

 

[Finger66]

Well that was probably before Rachel from Accounts has her say!

 

[pug]

Another base that will get the A321s long before we see them.

Well with Wizzair reportedly planning on pulling LGW ops, you know it seems to make sense.. They’ve been waiting to go in big. Not that he heard any rumblings or anything…

 

[Aviador]

Another base that will get the A321s long before we see them.

Didn't you say Wizz was deferring a huge order for A321N aircraft? Those aircraft will be offered up to alternative carriers waiting for orders!

 

[White Heather]

Didn't you say Wizz was deferring a huge order for A321N aircraft? Those aircraft will be offered up to alternative carriers waiting for orders!

Yes, but it seems LBA is well down the Jet2 priority list - for now at least. Doesn't matter if Jet2 pick up deferred orders or not. What they get won't come here. GLA, EDI, LTN, BHX, STN and now possibly LGW are all likely to come first. Perhaps even BFS too.

 

[Finger66]

I just wonder if there is some further tit for tat brewing here? Assuming LGW is the upcoming prize for LS, and after entering LTN this year, are we about to see a U2 response on LS home territory. If so what defence mechanism will LS put in place at their home? Certainly could prove interesting with the industry being in some challenging times

 

[pug]

I just wonder if there is some further tit for tat brewing here? Assuming LGW is the upcoming prize for LS, and after entering LTN this year, are we about to see a U2 response on LS home territory. If so what defence mechanism will LS put in place at their home? Certainly could prove interesting with the industry being in some challenging times

Not much probably, Jet2 will hopefully always have the strongest presence at LBA as it’s their home base. However whatever may or may not be brewing can only add more choice for LBA customers and I’m sure the competition would be welcomed but compliment the existing services.

 

[BCFC]

On our way to Faro, we boarded an old 737 classic this afternoon (FL). 5 mins before takeoff, the captain informed us of an electrical fault and said we all had to disembark and board another aircraft, we are currently sat on (FG), waiting for everyone to board… nightmare. We walked from gate 2 to gate 11 so time for a swift one.
Never again will I book a flight on one of these old piles of s***e.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Yes, but it seems LBA is well down the Jet2 priority list - for now at least. Doesn't matter if Jet2 pick up deferred orders or not. What they get won't come here. GLA, EDI, LTN, BHX, STN and now possibly LGW are all likely to come first. Perhaps even BFS too.

As you rightly point out, deferred orders just accelerates deliveries to the airlines waiting. And depends who is waiting and wants them too. easyJet would more than likely happy to pick them up.

As for LBA Jet2 I believe it is all dependent on night time flying review at LBA. I don't believe for a second GLA or EDI will become all A321 pre 2030 as there are routes out of both bases where the B738 is much better preferred due an A321 been an overkill on the route.

MAN will go full A321 first, LTN is slow growth (2 to 3 airframes hardly ground breaking growth), STN I can see simply for seat growth in a Ryanair dominated area and BHX may go more A321 over B738 but not fully pre 2030 simply due to growth constraints at BHX with easyJet now adding frames.

LGW will open when it does I would suspect that Jet2 will throw double digit A321's into the airport. However there are much more pressing issues to be addressing for the airline - Pilot / Cabin crew roster stability, Pilot pay, etc. If they are moving into LGW they need to be an alternative attraction to easyJet.
Plus what frames does Wizz UK have at LGW? I can only count 4 departures early morning tomorrow. Hardly worth any effort.

 

[Severn]

As you rightly point out, deferred orders just accelerates deliveries to the airlines waiting. And depends who is waiting and wants them too. easyJet would more than likely happy to pick them up.

As for LBA Jet2 I believe it is all dependent on night time flying review at LBA. I don't believe for a second GLA or EDI will become all A321 pre 2030 as there are routes out of both bases where the B738 is much better preferred due an A321 been an overkill on the route.

MAN will go full A321 first, LTN is slow growth (2 to 3 airframes hardly ground breaking growth), STN I can see simply for seat growth in a Ryanair dominated area and BHX may go more A321 over B738 but not fully pre 2030 simply due to growth constraints at BHX with easyJet now adding frames.

LGW will open when it does I would suspect that Jet2 will throw double digit A321's into the airport. However there are much more pressing issues to be addressing for the airline - Pilot / Cabin crew roster stability, Pilot pay, etc. If they are moving into LGW they need to be an alternative attraction to easyJet.
Plus what frames does Wizz UK have at LGW? I can only count 4 departures early morning tomorrow. Hardly worth any effort.

There’s technically 7x based Wizz UK aircraft based at LGW (5x A321neos and 2x A321xlr).
The reason you can only see 4x aircraft departing in the early mornings is that 3x aircraft operate overnight and land back into LGW between 06:00 and 10:00 (a Sunday night/Monday morning sees overnight flights to and from Jeddah, Medina and Istanbul). Therefore these aircraft depart later in the day.

 

[michael w]

On our way to Faro, we boarded an old 737 classic this afternoon (FL). 5 mins before takeoff, the captain informed us of an electrical fault and said we all had to disembark and board another aircraft, we are currently sat on (FG), waiting for everyone to board… nightmare. We walked from gate 2 to gate 11 so time for a swift one.
Never again will I book a flight on one of these old piles of s***e.

Electrical fault could happen on any plane at any time anywhere in the world. It's not just because it's an old 737.
What are you going to do next time you book a flight/ holiday? Inform Jet2 first of which plane you are prepared to fly on?
I think you were lucky a spare plane was available at short notice, causing only a short disruption to your trip.

 

[Finger66]

I think emotions are generally running high when it comes to the 733's. Common denominator is LBA gets the short straw and we would all like rid. However if there was 1 airline that prides itself on safety then Jet2 is it so no ultimate need to worry.
That all said, I personally think enough is enough with the old birds. Now whether a strategic route review deems them "all" surplus to requirements remains to be seen, but when they are bought and paid for, thus earning money, then why would any business lose an asset that makes money.
As I have said before I am in the get rid now camp, but I am an armchair observer, not an airline CEO so I do not propose to know what's best and what is it right!
We must remember LBA owe so much to Jet2

 

[BCFC]

Electrical fault could happen on any plane at any time anywhere in the world. It's not just because it's an old 737.
What are you going to do next time you book a flight/ holiday? Inform Jet2 first of which plane you are prepared to fly on?
I think you were lucky a spare plane was available at short notice, causing only a short disruption to your trip.

Book with FR like I usually do. Very true re your comment but too many problems with these old 737’s. GDFO has been out of action for a week now and now GDFL needs looking at which could be something or nothing.

I think emotions are generally running high when it comes to the 733's. Common denominator is LBA gets the short straw and we would all like rid. However if there was 1 airline that prides itself on safety then Jet2 is it so no ultimate need to worry.
That all said, I personally think enough is enough with the old birds. Now whether a strategic route review deems them "all" surplus to requirements remains to be seen, but when they are bought and paid for, thus earning money, then why would any business lose an asset that makes money.
As I have said before I am in the get rid now camp, but I am an armchair observer, not an airline CEO so I do not propose to know what's best and what is it right!
We must remember LBA owe so much to Jet2

I own a small fleet of trucks and when they get to the point of being unreliable and start costing money we sell them on, yes there's a big difference between an 18T truck and an aircraft but it makes sense to get rid. I know Jet2 spent a lot of money on GDFO a year or so ago, I think it went to Dublin for a big service/check over and it's never been the same since it came back.
A woman say next to me said a friend of hers came out a week or so ago with Jet2 and they were delayed over an hour due to a problem with the aircraft.

GDFO is back up and running and is doing the FAO rotation this morning.

 

[pug]

Book with FR like I usually do. Very true re your comment but too many problems with these old 737’s. GDFO has been out of action for a week now and now GDFL needs looking at which could be something or nothing.


I own a small fleet of trucks and when they get to the point of being unreliable and start costing money we sell them on, yes there's a big difference between an 18T truck and an aircraft but it makes sense to get rid. I know Jet2 spent a lot of money on GDFO a year or so ago, I think it went to Dublin for a big service/check over and it's never been the same since it came back.
A woman say next to me said a friend of hers came out a week or so ago with Jet2 and they were delayed over an hour due to a problem with the aircraft.

GDFO is back up and running and is doing the FAO rotation this morning.

It’s absolutely not the same as a truck. The ‘big service/check’ in Dublin will have been C-Check, these have to be completed even if the aircraft are aging/slated for retirement because it’s a regulatory requirement to do so. Of course with ageing aircraft you may get more technical issues, but it’s not as pronounced as a truck owing to the thorough nature of a C-Check. It’s almost as if they take the whole thing apart and put it back together again! I’m not sure which aircraft are due to leave the fleet first but it’s not just a case of getting rid, they have to have suitable capacity to replace them so that they can plan effectively.

 

[BCFC]

It’s absolutely not the same as a truck. The ‘big service/check’ in Dublin will have been C-Check, these have to be completed even if the aircraft are aging/slated for retirement because it’s a regulatory requirement to do so. Of course with ageing aircraft you may get more technical issues, but it’s not as pronounced as a truck owing to the thorough nature of a C-Check. It’s almost as if they take the whole thing apart and put it back together again! I’m not sure which aircraft are due to leave the fleet first but it’s not just a case of getting rid, they have to have suitable capacity to replace them so that they can plan effectively.

I did say it's not the same as a truck.

 

[pug]

I did say it's not the same as a truck.

You did but using the analogy to say it’s time to get rid and move on I didn’t feel was accurate because it’s not a simple case of absorbing the capacity. They’ll have paid for the various airworthiness requirements to keep it running for as long as they need to, and when the time comes it’ll no doubt be flown down to Kemble to be parted out. I suspect there will be more to consider when deciding which aircraft goes first and it’ll probably be more on airframes hours and things like that than general day to day reliability issues. Equipment on board can cause issues that aren’t necessarily airframe specific and as such you can have the same issues on a brand new airframe.

 

[BCFC]

You did but using the analogy to say it’s time to get rid and move on I didn’t feel was accurate because it’s not a simple case of absorbing the capacity. They’ll have paid for the various airworthiness requirements to keep it running for as long as they need to, and when the time comes it’ll no doubt be flown down to Kemble to be parted out. I suspect there will be more to consider when deciding which aircraft goes first and it’ll probably be more on airframes hours and things like that than general day to day reliability issues. Equipment on board can cause issues that aren’t necessarily airframe specific and as such you can have the same issues on a brand new

An alogy . Nearly the same as Maureen Lipman’s ology!

 

[Len Fish]

It does seem the 300s are an anallergic to breakdowns.

 

[LBA787]

Gatwick will be the 14th base