With Wales having responsibility for its Foreign Affairs and Defence? With no representation at Westminster?
Well that's independence.
Autonomy to me would be Wales and Scotland have control of everything internal including control of finances except the currency. Foreign affairs, defence, currency would be UK responsibility.
To me it kinda would be similar to the relationship between the Faroe Islands and Denmark and they do have representation in the Danish Parliament. 4 MPs i believe.
 
Well that's independence.
Autonomy to me would be Wales and Scotland have control of everything internal including control of finances except the currency. Foreign affairs, defence, currency would be UK responsibility.
To me it kinda would be similar to the relationship between the Faroe Islands and Denmark and they do have representation in the Danish Parliament. 4 MPs i believe.
In your earlier post #1159 you said Full autonomy is more likely. Essentially independence in all but name (my bold) which is why I asked the question because in my eyes not having responsibility for such matters as Foreign Affairs and Defence is some way short of independence.

I visualised something like DevoMax for the existing devolved governments in my post #1158 as the way the Johnson government might try to take the heat out of the independence movements in Wales and Scotland and the increasing calls in Northern Ireland for a United Ireland.

I now realise that you were alluding to Wales's domestic governance and DevoMax would probably fit that bill, or is something further needed short of outright independence?
 
In your earlier post #1159 you said Full autonomy is more likely. Essentially independence in all but name (my bold) which is why I asked the question because in my eyes not having responsibility for such matters as Foreign Affairs and Defence is some way short of independence.
Maybe i should've said that it's very close to independence, Scotland and Wales would have full control over internal matters like most independent countries but allow the UK to have control of Foreign Affairs and Defence and represent them at the UN.
I now realise that you were alluding to Wales's domestic governance and DevoMax would probably fit that bill, or is something further needed short of outright independence?
Personally i'd prefer independence but failing that i think we need to have a relationship where internal matters are run in Wales and that sovereignty resides in Wales. The current relationship is as the First Minister put it one where powers are given to Wales but can be pulled back on a string at the whim of the UK government. What this UK government is doing with IMB and the prosperity fund is examples of that. If Wales and Scotland and NI are to remain in an union with England then i think some sort of equality needs to be brought into the relationship. Westminster and Cardiff and Stormont and Holyrood need to be seen as equals rather Westminster being the boss and all powers coming from it. I think that the relationship needs to be that Wales and Scotland and NI are giving powers to Westminster rather than the other way round. I genuinely don't think Boris Johnsons government is capable of coming up with a way to take any heat out of the independence movements and maybe a different UK government could but i don't think Johnson's government is capable let alone willing to firstly give up the powers required and secondly have the vision to radically change the constitutional nature of the UK.
 
If Wales and Scotland and NI are to remain in an union with England then i think some sort of equality needs to be brought into the relationship. Westminster and Cardiff and Stormont and Holyrood need to be seen as equals rather Westminster being the boss and all powers coming from it.
The current system breeds inequality all round. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have different levels of devolved powers and England has no devolved government at all. I mentioned in a recent post why I don't believe that it's possible for England to have a devolved government but that doesn't mean I think it should not.

Westminster, with input from outside England, is the boss as far as England is concerned as there is no alternative. I don't like it and I'm not alone.

I'll give an example which in the grand scheme of things is trivial but it's local and aviation-related.

When Qatar Airways was looking to set up on Severnside both the Welsh government and the Secretary of State for Wales went into bat for CWL and rightly so. BRS's governmental support was at no higher a level than the local authority which in terms of matching a government's clout is inconsequential.

The Westminster government did not back BRS and there is no Secretary of State for England, and anyway a member of the Westminster government's cabinet was already backing the CWL case. So who shouts for an English region at government level in those circumstances? Had there been a devolved English government the BRS people could have looked to it for support. As it happens it would probably have not altered the airline's decision but that's not my real point. There could easily be more important issues when an area or an organisation in England could lose out for want of its own government's support.
 
Westminster, with input from outside England, is the boss as far as England is concerned as there is no alternative. I don't like it and I'm not alone.
The problem to me seems that many don't seem to differentiate between the UK and England seeing the UK more of an extension of England than England being an individual nation and devolution in England seems a bit haphazard and essentially glorified local authorities. Until attitudes change in England or the UK ends then some areas of England are going to miss out.
It's ironic that with CWL the Welsh Secretary supported the airport in attracting Qatar but didn't when it came to APD.
 
The problem to me seems that many don't seem to differentiate between the UK and England seeing the UK more of an extension of England than England being an individual nation and devolution in England seems a bit haphazard and essentially glorified local authorities. Until attitudes change in England or the UK ends then some areas of England are going to miss out.
It's ironic that with CWL the Welsh Secretary supported the airport in attracting Qatar but didn't when it came to APD.
I was really responding to your comment in a previous post that some sort of equality needs to be brought into the relationship (with England) if the other home nations are to remain in the Union, and pointed out that some areas of England, particularly peripheral ones, are as badly off, worse off in some circumstances, than Wales or Scotland or Northern Ireland when it comes to a relationship with the Westminster government. There are though some valid points about England made in your last post (#1165).

As for APD devolution, that's a UK government decision and the Secretary of State for Wales is a member of the Cabinet where collective cabinet responsibility obtains. He or she can, and almost certainly does, argue Wales's case in Cabinet sessions including APD devolution, but publicly has to support Cabinet-approved government policy and decisions. The alternative is to resign from the government.

With Qatar Airways, the UK government has no policy regarding usage of particular UK airports by the airline and the Secretary of State for Wales was at liberty, and indeed it would be expected of him, to support anything that would benefit Wales.

I know that Alun Cairns, who was Sec of State when the Qatar decision was announced, is often criticised on aviation forums for not supporting Welsh aviation and CWL in particular.

I might have mentioned this before. If so I apologise for repeating myself. Just before Cairns became a Westminster MP over a decade ago he was an AM, as they were known then. He made some public comment about Welsh and West Country aviation (I've forgotten the details) about which I disagreed. I sent him an email setting out my views but didn't expect a reply because I wasn't a constituent and don't even live in Wales. He responded almost immediately which led to an exchange of further emails. In the end we agreed to disagree on the matter in a civilised way but I was struck by his passionate advocacy for both CWL and the Welsh aviation industry. I certainly respected that.
 
With Wales having responsibility for its Foreign Affairs and Defence? With no representation at Westminster?
The australian model is a far better way to go.

glad some of the centre left parties are now waking up and releasing welsh independence will be an absolute disaster. If you voted against brexit you should be against welsh independence.

 
The australian model is a far better way to go.
Going for a federal model like Australia or Germany or USA essentially states that the composite countries aren't countries they are states or regions of a bigger state. So what would happen to each individuals sports teams? Surely they can't continue in that scenario? Like those states there'd have to be 1 UK team to represent all.
If you voted against brexit you should be against welsh independence.
Surely you'd be in favour of it? The EU is an organisation of sovereign countries working together and pooling resources so why would you be against Wales, Scotland and England individually doing that with the EU or with each other?
 
Recently Grant Shapps announced £20 million for rail upgrades as part of the UK government's connect the union project and of course mentioned how the UK government wants to get on with the M4 and A55 but he also stated that 25% of the Welsh working population resident in Wales worked in England. Surprisingly the number is wrong and is much lower than that only 7% 100,000 people which is 3.2% of the Welsh population live in Wales and work in England. To me that is surprisingly considering how much empahisis is often put on the border politically.
 
Recently Grant Shapps announced £20 million for rail upgrades as part of the UK government's connect the union project and of course mentioned how the UK government wants to get on with the M4 and A55 but he also stated that 25% of the Welsh working population resident in Wales worked in England. Surprisingly the number is wrong and is much lower than that only 7% 100,000 people which is 3.2% of the Welsh population live in Wales and work in England. To me that is surprisingly considering how much empahisis is often put on the border politically.
No doubt all part of the UK government's aim to keep the UK intact in the face of growing independence calls.
 
The Burger king in Queen street has shut its doors after its been open since 1992. It leaves just the shop in St john street open near Cardiff castle in the city centre. A sign of the times with covid. Far too many shops shutting and it wonders where all this will end.
 
Will Welsh fans be hoping that England win tomorrow? Might stick in the craw though. :)

Or would it be more fun playing France in Paris tomorrow week with both countries unbeaten (assuming Wales beat Italy tomorrow which as a neutral I will be amazed if they don't).
 
Will Welsh fans be hoping that England win tomorrow? Might stick in the craw though. :)

Or would it be more fun playing France in Paris tomorrow week with both countries unbeaten (assuming Wales beat Italy tomorrow which as a neutral I will be amazed if they don't).
Hell no! Be better for the tournament if its a proper Grand Slam decider in Paris assuming that Wales beats Italy!
 
Hell no! Be better for the tournament if its a proper Grand Slam decider in Paris assuming that Wales beats Italy!
Sorry Jerry. ;)
 
Interesting little fact from the US Census in 2010. 1,888,383 reported Welsh ancestry which is over half the population of Wales.
 
The commonwealth countries across the globe all have a fair size Welsh connection. In non commonwealth countries there is a strong connection and it does wonder what the draw was for Welsh connections were. The Irish must be tops for connections across the globe and there is huge pockets in the USA and the jokes with Irish is construction work.My dads sister lived in Canada and she moved there to get married and lived a good life in Hamilton. She moved out there before dad was born,he had never seen her so he went out and seen her 18 months before she passed away in her nineties. Years ago it was no problem for people to move to any country to settle and work,not like now.
 
it does wonder what the draw was for Welsh connections were.
In many parts of the USA the Welsh tend to have good representation in mining towns but in general the Welsh-American identity isn't as strong as the Irish American identity as emigration wasn't as enmasse as in Ireland and England was for many more of an option than it was for many Irish.
 

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