Emirates

[David Cartwright]

I am pretty sure BHX would 'price match' what MAN charge when it comes to Emirates.

I flew from SYD to MAN via DXB and return last June . It cost me about $600 less to fly to MAN compared to BHX which I would have preferred. I fly quite regularly from SYD to the UK , I would always prefer BHX , however , normally it’s just too expensive .

 

[Coathanger16]

A random search for economy class flights from BHX, MAN & LHR to Sydney in September gives prices of:

LHR:
Cheapest: £1666
Most Expensive: £1791

BHX:
Cheapest: £1785
Most Expensive: £1910

MAN:
Cheapest: £1802
Most Expensive: £1927

The cheapest UK origin point was Gatwick at £1567 and the most expensive was Manchester at £1927.

Obviously that's just one week in September, but clearly shows it's not a case of BHX always being the more expensive option.

Even when booking business class, of the five combinations available from BHX, four were the same price and comparable to other airports, whilst one option was over £2000 more for some reason, although that included an 18 hour layover in Dubai, so probably wouldn't get many takers anyway.

 

[Nethercote2019]

I was told Gatwick was always the base/lowest price. General prices at the moment on offer across the board are a lot more expensive from everywhere,
Is the plan for future to have premium economy from the regions ?

 

[Coathanger16]

Is the plan for future to have premium economy from the regions ?

About half of the current A380 and B777 fleets will get premium economy, so its a good bet some UK airports will get it.

At the moment, Emirates have only put premium economy on aircraft with First, so it remains to be seen whether Emirates retrofits any 2 class aircraft with premium economy.

I suspect either the whole 2 class sub-fleets will get retrofitted or none of them will. On the aircraft that have been retrofitted, the number of First and Business seats remained the same, but 88 economy seats were lost whilst gaining only 56 premium economy seats, so a net reduction of 32 seats overall.

 

[IanFarquharson]

As I said BHX is no more expensive to operate from than anywhere else in the UK.

 

[Timberwolf]

A random search for economy class flights from BHX, MAN & LHR to Sydney in September gives prices of:

LHR:
Cheapest: £1666
Most Expensive: £1791

BHX:
Cheapest: £1785
Most Expensive: £1910

MAN:
Cheapest: £1802
Most Expensive: £1927

The cheapest UK origin point was Gatwick at £1567 and the most expensive was Manchester at £1927.

Obviously that's just one week in September, but clearly shows it's not a case of BHX always being the more expensive option.

Even when booking business class, of the five combinations available from BHX, four were the same price and comparable to other airports, whilst one option was over £2000 more for some reason, although that included an 18 hour layover in Dubai, so probably wouldn't get many takers anyway.

I suppose London may be a tad nearer to DXB, then BHX then MAN.So that probably is reflected in the furthest away being the most expensive ?

 

[mullion]

usually work the fuller the flights the more expensie

 

[KARFA]

A random search for economy class flights from BHX, MAN & LHR to Sydney in September gives prices of:

LHR:
Cheapest: £1666
Most Expensive: £1791

BHX:
Cheapest: £1785
Most Expensive: £1910

MAN:
Cheapest: £1802
Most Expensive: £1927

The cheapest UK origin point was Gatwick at £1567 and the most expensive was Manchester at £1927.

Obviously that's just one week in September, but clearly shows it's not a case of BHX always being the more expensive option.

Even when booking business class, of the five combinations available from BHX, four were the same price and comparable to other airports, whilst one option was over £2000 more for some reason, although that included an 18 hour layover in Dubai, so probably wouldn't get many takers anyway.

These are the base fares (12 to 26 September, lowest economy fare KLEESGB1), so independent of actual selling class availability on any specific flight:

BHX-SYD - 1116.00(GBP)
LHR-SYD - 898.00(GBP)
MAN-SYD - 1126.00(GBP)
LGW-SYD - 898.00(GBP)
STN-SYD - 898.00(GBP)
NCL-SYD - 1126.00(GBP)

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there Scania 1800, I totally agree with what you are saying, Birmingham Airport has always been expensive for its size, it thinks its in the big boys league, hence its pricing, then you look at Manchester Airport, there prices have always been, any aircraft, any size, with the price to match for it, whereas Birmingham Airports policy of pricing has always been 12.00 per tonne or part or mtow, then you wonder why Birmingham Airport doesn't have airlines wanting to fly from it. Then they develope masterplans which, don't have any logic for proper expansion, just hot air ideas, which are not going to happen, 2 d runaway with another terminal, what for ,we don't need another terminal, we can't handle more than 12 million. Airport need to think me logical to achieve any realistically

 

[Coathanger16]

These are the base fares (12 to 26 September, lowest economy fare KLEESGB1), so independent of actual selling class availability on any specific flight:

BHX-SYD - 1116.00(GBP)
LHR-SYD - 898.00(GBP)
MAN-SYD - 1126.00(GBP)
LGW-SYD - 898.00(GBP)
STN-SYD - 898.00(GBP)
NCL-SYD - 1126.00(GBP)

Looks like its broken down by London, Midlands and North regions?

Hi there Scania 1800, I totally agree with what you are saying, Birmingham Airport has always been expensive for its size, it thinks its in the big boys league, hence its pricing, then you look at Manchester Airport, there prices have always been, any aircraft, any size, with the price to match for it, whereas Birmingham Airports policy of pricing has always been 12.00 per tonne or part or mtow, then you wonder why Birmingham Airport doesn't have airlines wanting to fly from it. Then they develope masterplans which, don't have any logic for proper expansion, just hot air ideas, which are not going to happen, 2 d runaway with another terminal, what for ,we don't need another terminal, we can't handle more than 12 million. Airport need to think me logical to achieve any realistically

Andrew, this has been covered before.

The price you quote per tonne is if you were to rock up with your own private A320 and want to use BHX, not what prices airlines will pay. That price will be agreed privately between the airline and airport with no one else knowing the details.

Neither the current nor previous masterplans included a second runway or second terminal, so have never been firm proposals by the airport. I think the last time it was "realistically" proposed was during the Airports Commission led by Sir Howard Davies, and even then it was probably done more as a publicity grab for the airport rather than a serious contender.

I often wonder why you use this forum as nothing BHX does ever seems to meet your high standards and you never seem to have anything good to say about the airport.

 

[Scania1800]

Looks like its broken down by London, Midlands and North regions?



Andrew, this has been covered before.

The price you quote per tonne is if you were to rock up with your own private A320 and want to use BHX, not what prices airlines will pay. That price will be agreed privately between the airline and airport with no one else knowing the details.

Neither the current nor previous masterplans included a second runway or second terminal, so have never been firm proposals by the airport. I think the last time it was "realistically" proposed was during the Airports Commission led by Sir Howard Davies, and even then it was probably done more as a publicity grab for the airport rather than a serious contender.

I often wonder why you use this forum as nothing BHX does ever seems to meet your high standards and you never seem to have anything good to say about the airport.

Generally BHX is a great airport with a whole load of opportunities it can reach, but it’s best not to just be negative about it for no reason

 

[IanFarquharson]

If BHX was expensive you wouldnt be seeing growth from Ryanair & Easyjet

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there all, I find that reply about my thoughts about Birmingham airport quite an insulting mark, I want Birmingham Airport to be achieving the best, but obviously, what I say on this forum is classed as a waste of time.

 

[route66]

Hi there all, I find that reply about my thoughts about Birmingham airport quite an insulting mark, I want Birmingham Airport to be achieving the best, but obviously, what I say on this forum is classed as a waste of time.

A positive post might help.

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Thanks for your comments route66, you sound like as if all my previous posts have been a complete waste of time...AndyC

 

[route66]

Thanks for your comments route66, you sound like as if all my previous posts have been a complete waste of time...AndyC

No, your posts haven't been a waste of time, it's the nature of the posts I'm talking about.

 

[Matt995]

Hi there Scania 1800, I totally agree with what you are saying, Birmingham Airport has always been expensive for its size, it thinks its in the big boys league, hence its pricing, then you look at Manchester Airport, there prices have always been, any aircraft, any size, with the price to match for it, whereas Birmingham Airports policy of pricing has always been 12.00 per tonne or part or mtow, then you wonder why Birmingham Airport doesn't have airlines wanting to fly from it. Then they develope masterplans which, don't have any logic for proper expansion, just hot air ideas, which are not going to happen, 2 d runaway with another terminal, what for ,we don't need another terminal, we can't handle more than 12 million. Airport need to think me logical to achieve any realistically

you also have to remember that Emirates have more competition from the London airports, ie BA, Virgin, and the other Middle East carriers. They will need to price their flights inline with the other carriers, hence "cheaper" fares.

The likes of Newcastle, Manchester & Birmingham have less or no competition, so hence Emirates know they can charge a higher price. It has nothing to do with the operating costs at Birmingham!! This is how the aviation industry is. The airlines need to make money on their flights, else we know where they will end up, the airline grave yard!!

UK outbound flight costs to Dubai on Saturday July1st, (when we should see the A380 return), by price:-

14:55 – 01:00+1
Emirates
7 hrs 5 min
STN–DXB
Non-stop
388 kg CO2
£450

21:10 – 07:10+1
Emirates
7 hrs
STN–DXB
Non-stop
388 kg CO2
£450

10:00 – 20:00
Emirates
7 hrs
LGW–DXB
Non-stop
388 kg CO2
£456

14:30 – 00:35+1
Emirates
7 hrs 5 min
LGW–DXB
Non-stop
381 kg CO2
£456

21:45 – 07:35+1
Emirates
6 hrs 50 min
LGW–DXB
Non-stop
388 kg CO2
£456

13:45 – 23:59
Emirates
7 hrs 14 min
NCL–DXB
Non-stop
364 kg CO2
£490

14:20 – 00:25+1
Emirates
7 hrs 5 min
BHX–DXB
Non-stop
397 kg CO2
£491

21:40 – 07:55+1
Emirates
7 hrs 15 min
BHX–DXB
Non-stop
362 kg CO2
£491

09:05 – 19:10
Emirates
7 hrs 5 min
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
383 kg CO2
£492

14:20 – 00:20+1
Emirates
7 hrs
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
386 kg CO2
£492

16:50 – 02:45+1
Emirates
6 hrs 55 min
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
383 kg CO2
£492

19:50 – 05:50+1
Emirates
7 hrs
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
383 kg CO2
£492

20:40 – 06:35+1
Emirates
6 hrs 55 min
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
386 kg CO2
£492

22:15 – 08:05+1
Emirates
6 hrs 50 min
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
386 kg CO2
£492

09:50 – 20:00
Emirates
7 hrs 10 min
MAN–DXB
Non-stop
400 kg CO2
£498

14:05 – 00:20+1
Emirates
7 hrs 15 min
MAN–DXB
Non-stop
393 kg CO2
£498

21:15 – 07:25+1
Emirates
7 hrs 10 min
MAN–DXB
Non-stop
400 kg CO2
£498

12:55 – 23:05
British Airways
7 hrs 10 min
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
308 kg CO2
£513

21:30 – 07:30+1
British Airways
7 hrs
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
404 kg CO2
£513

22:25 – 08:25+1
British Airways
7 hrs
LHR–DXB
Non-stop
308 kg CO2
£513

 

[mullion]

Don`t forget the others like Etihad, Qatar, Gulf Air, Kuwait and Turkish all from MAN and LHR plus Virgin, Oman who all do the same thing and also add Air India, Bangladesh and Cathay and of course Qantas who all aim at the far east and Australasia so there is a lot of ways of getting to SYD and I really cannot be bothered or have the time to check fares

 

[Matt995]

Another 2 class A380 back in service, A6-EUO operated its first service for a few years, on the EK21/22 Manchester flight

That leaves 1 RR powered A380 A6-EUZ, & the 6 GP powered A6-EOP/Q/R/S/X/Y still gathering dust in Dubai World Central airport! - 4 months to get a few more back in service for the BHX flight!

 

[Scania1800]

Another 2 class A380 back in service, A6-EUO operated its first service for a few years, on the EK21/22 Manchester flight

That leaves 1 RR powered A380 A6-EUZ, & the 6 GP powered A6-EOP/Q/R/S/X/Y still gathering dust in Dubai World Central airport! - 4 months to get a few more back in service for the BHX flight!

Don’t need all of them back for BHX, as LGW has lost its 2 class A380 service and downgraded to 3 class 777s