British Airways

[lbaspotter]

People on here including myself just assumed theses flights had been cancelled by British Airways.
But I now understand most of those missing Leeds-Heathrow flights weren't cancelled because they were never included in the initial Winter 2017/18 schedule release.

But I'll post an update later to show which rotations are missing.

 

[KARFA]

hi lbaspotter
would you please have a look around the BA leeds h/row network,i was told on monday that they were
dropping back to just 1 flight per day (am).
with thanks
sm1

Any reductions should already be in the timetable. There are normal reductions between Christmas and new year.

Now until 18 Dec - normal frequency (3 rotations every day aprt from Sat which is 2)
19 December - 24 December - 2 rotations every day
Christmas Eve - morning and midday rotations
Christmas Day - no service (same as previous years)
Boxing Day - 1 Jan - morning and midday rotations only

Beyond 1st January there are reductions for 1Q 2018 which I noted here http://www.forums4airports.com/threads/2337/page-68#post-111616

 

[lbaspotter]

hi lbaspotter
would you please have a look around the BA leeds h/row network,i was told on monday that they were
dropping back to just 1 flight per day (am).
with thanks
sm1

The following British Airways Leeds/Bradford-London Heathrow rotations will not operate on these days:

Morning = BA1346/1347
Dec = 25th
Feb = 25th, 26th, 27th & 28th
Mar = 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd & 24th

Afternoon = BA1342/1343
Dec = 19th, 25th
Jan = 6th, 13th, 19th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th, 25th, 26th, 28th & 31st
Feb = 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th & 10th

Evening = BA1344/1345
Dec = 20th, 21st, 22nd, 24th, 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th & 31st
Jan = 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 21st, 29th & 30th

 

[KARFA]

Some odd changes being put through for next summer onwards - I don’t quite understand them yet. It seems the midday rotation is staying roughly the same. However the early rotation seems later in the day so leaving LHR around 0920 and therefore the first southbound arrival at LHR isn’t until 1220. The evening rotation is earlier as well with the last southbound leaving sometimes around 1830 and sometimes around 1730. I can’t even see the evening rotation in September. I am not sure all the changes have been done yet, some of them don’t make sense atm.

 

[AirBingley]

Some odd changes being put through for next summer onwards - I don’t quite understand them yet. It seems the midday rotation is staying roughly the same. However the early rotation seems later in the day so leaving LHR around 0920 and therefore the first southbound arrival at LHR isn’t until 1220. The evening rotation is earlier as well with the last southbound leaving sometimes around 1830 and sometimes around 1730. I can’t even see the evening rotation in September. I am not sure all the changes have been done yet, some of them don’t make sense atm.

That feels like a night stop possibility to me - I've had this before with BA, they play with times on day 1 and put new flights / cancel day 2! If this is the case I'm fully expecting them to cancel my 14.25 on 10 July and rebook me on the new 11.15 - i.e. the one they've not played with is more likely for the chop! i'll update with any schedule changes! Maybe this is an early victory for the new management team? We live in hope!

 

[Jerry]

Some odd changes being put through for next summer onwards - I don’t quite understand them yet. It seems the midday rotation is staying roughly the same. However the early rotation seems later in the day so leaving LHR around 0920 and therefore the first southbound arrival at LHR isn’t until 1220. The evening rotation is earlier as well with the last southbound leaving sometimes around 1830 and sometimes around 1730. I can’t even see the evening rotation in September. I am not sure all the changes have been done yet, some of them don’t make sense atm.

Sounds similar timings to KLM for AMS with the 9.20 departure carrying people to LBA from the first transatlantic arrivals wave?

 

[KARFA]

Sounds similar timings to KLM for AMS with the 9.20 departure carrying people to LBA from the first transatlantic arrivals wave?

But there is also an early departure from LBA with KL to take people to AMS and allow connections on to morning flights from AMS. At the moment the early southbound gets in to T5 around 1035-1045 - not great really but probably ok. Under this new timetable it is worse since the first southbound doesn't get in until 1220 so you now can't connect to anything departing T5 departing before 1320, and T3/T2/T4 before 1350. It's odd they seem to be doing this.

That feels like a night stop possibility to me - I've had this before with BA, they play with times on day 1 and put new flights / cancel day 2! If this is the case I'm fully expecting them to cancel my 14.25 on 10 July and rebook me on the new 11.15 - i.e. the one they've not played with is more likely for the chop! i'll update with any schedule changes! Maybe this is an early victory for the new management team? We live in hope!

The same thought crossed my mind too about a nightstopper. It does almost look like they are making space for a late (~2100) northbound and early (~0700) southbound. Perhaps we are just indulging in wishful thinking though

I have been inundated by emails and texts with changes today for flights beyond April 2018 which prompted me to look at what was going on. I agree I think I'll just sit on my hands for now and see what the next few days brings.

 

[AirBingley]

But there is also an early departure from LBA with KL to take people to AMS and allow connections on to morning flights from AMS. At the moment the early southbound gets in to T5 around 1035-1045 - not great really but probably ok. Under this new timetable it is worse since the first southbound doesn't get in until 1220 so you now can't connect to anything departing T5 departing before 1320, and T3/T2/T4 before 1350. It's odd they seem to be doing this.



The thought crossed my mind about a nightstopper. It does almost look like they are making space for a late (~2100) northbound and early (~0700) southbound. Perhaps we are just indulging in wishful thinking though

I have been inundated by emails and texts with changes today for flights beyond April 2018 which prompted me to look at what was going on. I agree I think I'll just sit on my hands for now and see what the next few days brings.

They usually do this mid January so its good they're still showing commitment to the route after a pretty savage set of winter timetable changes

 

[White Heather]

Well the timings are pretty good and fit almost perfectly for an early southbound (nightstopper) and late northbound. This is something that LBA management have been seeking but with our new owners at the helm, what was previously not going to happen, just might. We live in hope. I will see what I can find out at the next consultative meeting, although the answer will probably be no comment at this stage.

 

[KARFA]

More changes, I have just got a load of emails through. It seems the late rotation BA1344/1345 is cancelled for quite a lot of the summer and remains for Monday, Thursday, and Fridays only. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Sunday therefore drop to 2 rotations only.

Also it seems Saturday goes to one rotation only. The early one remains.

 

[AirBingley]

It gets better - as I tongue in cheek predicted yesterday my mid July Tuesday afternoon flight has now been cancelled and we have been rebooked on the 11.15 - there's now 1 flight that day! This is shaping up to be a pretty savage set of cuts over the busiest months - who knows what next will come out of the BA computer!

 

[KARFA]

It gets better - as I tongue in cheek predicted yesterday my mid July Tuesday afternoon flight has now been cancelled and we have been rebooked on the 11.15 - there's now 1 flight that day! This is shaping up to be a pretty savage set of cuts over the busiest months - who knows what next will come out of the BA computer!

Wow I didn’t even see that earlier. Looks like quite a few weekdays are now down to one rotation too. I am tempted to suggest this pretty much starts a path to the slow death of this service - how can you maintain a serious route to a hub in the middle of the busy summer months with on rotation a day?

 

[lbaspotter]

Surely something wrong with this as its only showing 10x weekly Airbus A319 service? This is the schedule BA currently have on sale for July 2018 (As of 23:08 on Thursday, December 7th 2017)

I've put a question on both Leeds/Bradford, London Heathrow Airports & British Airways twitter feeds. Hopefully I'll get a reply ASAP from them.

Mondays
BA1340 = LHR 09:20 – LBA 10:20 / BA1341 = LBA 11:05 – LHR 12:20
BA1344 = LHR 17:00 – LBA 18:05 / BA1345 = LBA 18:50 – LHR 20:05
Tuesdays
BA1340 = LHR 09:20 – LBA 10:20 / BA1341 = LBA 11:15 – LHR 12:30
Wednesdays
BA1340 = LHR 09:20 – LBA 10:20 / BA1341 = LBA 11:05 – LHR 12:20
Thursdays
BA1340 = LHR 09:20 – LBA 10:20 / BA1341 = LBA 11:05 – LHR 12:20
BA1344 = LHR 15:50 – LBA 16:55 / BA1345 = LBA 17:30 – LHR 18:45
Fridays
BA1340 = LHR 09:20 – LBA 10:20 / BA1341 = LBA 11:05 – LHR 12:20
BA1344 = LHR 16:45 – LBA 17:50 / BA1345 = LBA 18:35 – LHR 19:50
Saturdays
BA1340 = LHR 09:20 – LBA 10:20 / BA1341 = LBA 11:05 – LHR 12:20
Sundays
BA1340 = LHR 09:20 – LBA 10:20 / BA1341 = LBA 11:05 – LHR 12:20

Lets hope the is some/if not a whole load more changes to be made. Otherwise its a good way to kill a slot sitting route Alex Cruz!

 

[Starflyer]

Regrettably this matches the BA slot filings for LHR and LBA for Summer 2018 and it does look as though the route is being cut from 20 to 10 roundtrips per week. The morning flight moves to a mid-morning rotation ex LHR designed purely for connecting traffic, the lunchtime is gone completely and the evening service uses a motley collection of slots used for extra MAN (Mon), Ams (Thu) and BHD (Fri) services up to now.

The rest of the Leeds slots look to be funding new US flights in Summer 2018 and the increase in leisure flights to Spain and Greece which seem to be an increasing part of the BA network.

This isn't a mistake or temporary cut, I'm afraid - it's the new world order for LBA-LHR.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

I'm suddenly going from 'well done BA, keep it up BA' to 'well we all knew it was a slot sitter, what are you doing?, You are going to kill the service and this is nothing but intentional'.

Well done Alex. Well done.

 

[Bigman]

That schedule is neither use nor ornament if that is right. That has just pretty much killed off the interlining traffic. Can't see it lasting beyond next Summer.

 

[Finger66]

GDS is suggesting nothing different to recent posts which is also replicated on BA's website so I have to agree that the end us probably nigh for the route. Just like LM with GLA makes no sense to me to kill a route where pax numbers are growing. Oh silly me, must be having too much impact on BA's connecting traffic ex MAN so they want to redress the balance. KLM must be rubbing their hands with glee at all this

 

[Britannia94]

Don’t think we will have a BA Service this time next year. Shame really it is.

 

[David_itl]

BA will be impacted at MAN due to the range of options out of theer, not passenger dilution from LBA ops (as an aside, we seem to have had a number of 321s in place of 320s and 319s). Having Yorkshire passngers using LBA rather than MAN would be a nice sellng point as there would be no need for crossing the Pennines

 

[AirBingley]

I contacted the BA call centre today to try to change my connecting flight after the cancellation of the afternoon rotation and they seemed blissfully unaware of the clobbering of LBA. The good news was they were very helpful at providing a better connection to reduce the (potentially very long) wait at LHR. The only positive spin out of this is that Inverness seems to exist quite happily on a similar token service.