Road, Rail & Access Issues

[lbaspotter]

so is that all they done, that really going to help the airport, long stay car parks extended, sure it ok extending them but you do need passengers to fill them you know.

they need to look at more of what the airport needs and what it needs is two terminals, both brand new not the current mis matching old one, and the runway needs extending. it about time they thought of having 767 and 747 flying into the airport often along with the A330. it been better if Manchester group took over LBA at least we know they actually do all of this.

2X Terminals and regular 747's, Nice thinking but you must be joking?
Yes LBA already gets the ad-hoc A330' and 767's. But i'll tell you now The Manchester Airport Group would never be allowed to buy LBA....

 

[wawkrk]

What you say is true Heather but the average passenger has not noticed any change.
My daughter and family use the airport frequently.She asked me only today, when are they going to start doing something?
I am afraid this is the perception of the average passenger including me.
Nobody knows or even cares what the reasons are for apparent lack of progress.
It seems just like another 4 years waiting on top of many years in the past.

 

[Aviador]

Likewise White Heather I agree with what you say but as Wawkrk has said, this is not the public perception.

Passenger who pass through the airport on a regular basis do notice things like escalators not working and ceiling tiles that aren't being replaced and things like that. If building work was going on passengers would accept it. This could easily be resolved by an airport press release explaining the delay to the expansion. If the recession was the reason given then at least people will be able to come to terms with the delay.

Clearly the airport would need to take careful commercial considerations if they did decide to release such information but it would go some length to allay fears that the airport is being neglected (or at least appearing to be)

I'm just wondering now how I ended up talking about the terminal development on Road, Rail & Access Issues thread. We could do with getting back on topic.

 

[User0001]

Thats another thing I realised about LBA. They dont advertise anything thats going on at the airport, If it routes, Work around the airport, New airlines ETC

 

[Aviador]

Thats another thing I realised about LBA. They dont advertise anything thats going on at the airport, If it routes, Work around the airport, New airlines ETC

It's part of the plan - it keeps everyone guessing.

 

[White Heather]

It is called 'Commercial in Confidence'. It keeps your competitors guessing but unfortunately it keeps your customers in the dark too, and whilst I defend Bridgepoints record in terms of what they have done in under 4 years, I totally agree that they need to provide more information on what is to happen next, and when it will start. Sadly, neglect of current facilities is often the case ahead of developmental work, otherwise you are chucking money down the drain. They presumably feel that whilst it may well lead to disgruntled passengers, they will come back anyway and therefore choose to keep all in the dark rather than openly publicise their 'timetable' for the future, whether relating to airport development or road, rail and access development, which as Aviador says, is the subject of this thread.

 

[Aviador]

Bad news I'm afraid.

The Harrogate bus service the 767 is being scrapped from April.

 

[lbaspotter]

Bad news I'm afraid.

The Harrogate bus service the 767 is being scrapped from April.

Yes NYCC are dropping there funding for the 767 service from April 2011. But it has'nt been decided yet if LBIA's mangerment will step in and add the extra funding required to cover the costs as yet. This disscussion is set to take place within the next couple of weeks.

As part of the airports planning permisson for the new terminal development they have to fund a bus service to Harrogate.

 

[Aviador]

Whilst I am not privy to any official passenger figures on the route I have to say I hardly ever see passengers using the service. Looking forward I think if the service was to return it would be better routing through to York.

 

[rmac]

Would an hourly limited stop National Express type coach service from Bradford, or Huddersfield to Bradford, airport, Harrogate and on to York not work?

 

[Aviador]

Would an hourly limited stop National Express type coach service from Bradford, or Huddersfield to Bradford, airport, Harrogate and on to York not work?

Possibly.

Huddersfield - Bradford - Airport - Harrogate - York

I for one would like to see a bus operating this route. Maybe even starting in Oldham to pinch some passengers from well within the traditional Manchester catchment area. I think it would need to operate every 40 minutes or so and I think passengers would need to have both the option of buying a ticket on the bus as well as through online pre purchase.

 

[lbaspotter]

Would an hourly limited stop National Express type coach service from Bradford, or Huddersfield to Bradford, airport, Harrogate and on to York not work?

Possibly.

Huddersfield - Bradford - Airport - Harrogate - York

I for one would like to see a bus operating this route. Maybe even starting in Oldham to pinch some passengers from well within the traditional Manchester catchment area. I think it would need to operate every 40 minutes or so and I think passengers would need to have both the option of buying a ticket on the bus as well as through online pre purchase.

Can never see that 40 mins service happening Aviador. As you,ve got to remember that Bradford already has an exsiting Half hourly service 737/747 operated by Centrebus which is funded by Metro & LBIA.
To get a link from the Airport to either Huddersfield or Halifax it would be better for centrebus to extend either the 737 or 747 once hourly.

What will most likley happen the exsisiting 767 will recive more funding from LBIA. But a change of operator could also happen to either First York or Transdev York/Harrogate&District so that it could operate Airport-Pool-Huby-Pannel-Harrogate-Knesbrough-York every 90 mins. Doing this though will mean requiring a 2 bus operation compared the the exsiting 1 bus thats currently used by Dales&District. So the costs will go up quite a bit of LBIA.

 

[Aviador]

I'm sure your version is more likely and more practical funding wise and planning wise but I don't think a service like that which operates only every 90 minutes or so would be sufficiently regular enough to make it work.

For the sake of discussion here. If say I have just spent say two hours on an flight back to the UK from abroad and I have just missed my bus to York, I am not going want to wait 90 minutes for another bus to come along.

Regular services are the key. Initially it might be too expensive to provide such regular services but that is the only way passengers will honestly consider using such service unless it is meant for non drivers only.

 

[Aviador]

Travel Plan Requirements:

Staff targets of:

i) Airport Company Staff Mode share of staff travelling to work by means other than single occupancy vehicles of 10% by 2010, 20% by 2011 and 30% by 2012

ii) Non Airport Company Staff Mode share of staff travelling to work by means
other than single occupancy vehicles of 20% by end of 2012 with penalties if
targets are missed of £1,000 per LBIA employee and £250 per non-LBIA
employee up to a maximum of £70,000 per annum.
Passenger target of 10% of all passenger trips by public bus service

The latest requirements made by Leeds City Council.

They are not achievable when the majority of airport employees (not just LBIA employees) work shift patterns that are not covered by public transport at all. Many of the workers at the airport travel to the airport from far and wide so car sharing is virtually impossible without people going out of their way to pick colleagues up.

These measures are ill thought out and typical of Leeds City Council.

 

[White Heather]

Rediculous. Lets hope the Council is applying the same rules and fines to them if their staff don't comply!

 

[lbaspotter]

Heard today that there are going to be some minor changes made to the Centrebus 737/747 & 757 airport bus route timetables coming soon by all acounts. Most likley be in the April service changes.

 

[News Guru]

[textarea]Leeds Bradford Airport rail link plans

Leeds Bradford Airport chief executive John Parkin has told Media Insider there is ‘real momentum’ behind plans to build a rail link to the airport. Surface access is often cited as a reason that Yorkshire travellers cross the Pennines to use Manchester Airport instead - something Mr Parkin said was ‘a habit we need to shift’.

Speaking at a regional tourism event organised by Marketing Leeds, Mr Parkin said a rail spur from the Leeds to Harrogate line to the airport and on to Bradford would offer ‘added value’ to the wider region, adding that the cost would be ‘not billions, but tens of millions.'

He told the news service: 'There is real momentum behind that project. There is a lot of political, regional and business support for putting in a spur off the Harrogate line to also go through Shipley and Bradford, connecting all of our towns together. It is do-able from an engineering standpoint and it creates much more value out of the existing rail infrastructure. I would be very disappointed if we didn’t have that on the agenda and built within the next decade.’

Mr Parkin also said Leeds Bradford planned to increase annual passenger traffic from three to five million, but to achieve this it needed the support of ‘major industry players’ such as Ryanair, which has two aircraft based at the airport.Ken O’Toole, route development director at Ryanair, who was also speaking at the event, hinted that the airline could open new routes from Leeds Bradford. When pressed on the routes that could be opened, he added: ‘I wouldn’t like to spoil the news.’

Source[/textarea]

 

[lbaspotter]

Re: Infrastructure Developments

Its good to know that the Harrogate - Airport link has been saved by Centrebus.

I did'nt think Dales & District would stay around as its out there operating area. This should also act as a good city to city link as presently there are no direct trains or bus services operating between Bradford & Harrogate.

 

[stevolba]

Re: Infrastructure Developments

How often do's the 767 route operate , am thinking of using it tomorrow

 

[lbaspotter]

Re: Infrastructure Developments

How often do's the 767 route operate , am thinking of using it tomorrow

It current runs every 90 mins. Here's the timetable for the service in PDF format
http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/CB84E656-93DE-4512-840B-1F1D47AC53F7/0/767bustimetable.pdf